Recreating A "hudd Type" Weedless Minnow

[jeffreyblaine]

Hey guys would like to hear some ideas on creating a weedless "hudd type" minnow. I'm sure this will present quite the challenge even to the advanced members.

[jeffreyblaine]

I'm new to the forum, I have some good ideas, but lack experience, any advice would be welcome.

Here is my thought process for the first attempt:

1. Make an accurate two part rtv mold of the lure.

2. Take the original lure and carefully inject silicone into the weedless cavity so I will have an exact mold of the cavity, hook placement etc.

3. Cut the weedless cavity open, cut hook from jig at the lead, cut silicone cavity cast exactly in half so i will have 2 halves to use as the guide to create my 2 part insert that will that will hold the hook/jig in the correct postion in the mold during the pouring/injection process.

[jeffreyblaine]

I would also remove the complete jig and hook and create a mold to replicate the jig head.

[tigerfire]

I'd like to see what you come up with. I think that's a great bait.

[jeffreyblaine]

UPDATE:

I have reproduced the jig.

I have made an insert for the cavity.

For the hollow cavity I inserted a flat Lshaped metal pc into the original bait cavity with 2 inches sticking out of the bottom of the bait. I then injected the cavity with RTV and let cure over night, the result is an rtv cavity mold with a steel center insert that can be removed out the bottom hole of the lure during the demolding process.

Next step is to make a 2 part silicone RTV mold of the entire bait with the metal insert in, so the insert handle will be copied right into my mold and will allow correct orientation every time.

Pics soon.

[jeffreyblaine]

Was gone for a while... After lots of trial and error, I have completed the minnow it works perfectly. Now I need to decide wehter to paint or just dye the soft plastic

[Jonah]

Was gone for a while... After lots of trial and error, I have completed the minnow it works perfectly. Now I need to decide wehter to paint or just dye the soft plastic

Are you planning on selling these baits? Huddleston has a patent on the tail and he has been sending letters out.

[Vodkaman]

Are you planning on selling these baits? Huddleston has a patent on the tail and he has been sending letters out.

Do you have the patent number, I would like to read it.

Dave

[Jonah]

Do you have the patent number, I would like to read it.

Dave

Here you go! http://www.huddbaits.com/2010/04/14/huddleston-deluxe-awarded-key-patent-on-swimbait/

[Vodkaman]

Here you go! http://www.huddbaits...nt-on-swimbait/

Thanks for that Jonah.

It is very disappointing that Ken Huddleston has been granted a patent on this tail, as it is using fluid dynamic principles that are in use by every soft bait paddle tail on the market.

I remember reading this patent before. I see one glaring fault with the patent document that could make it contestable. In figure 6, the vortices have been drawn incorrectly, in the wrong direction. This indicates to me, a lack of understanding of the principles that he is employing for the patent.

I think if you stick to the regular paddle tail design, you cannot be touched by this patent.

Dave

[Vodkaman]

I just did a http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/topic/18557-infringement-rights/page__hl__%2Bhuddleston+%2Bpatent__st__40

Here is a link to a patent issued in 2002 (wedgetail), which is basically the same thing: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6857220.pdf

This is nonsense.

Dave

[mark poulson]

Dave,

You know I know nothing about vortices.

But I do know that, at the time of it's initial release, the Huddleson Soft Swimbait was unique, and preformed like no other swimbait on the market at the time.

I think Ken Huddleston hit a grand slam with it, and it's only fair that he should be able to protect his hard work.

If Gene Lareau can patent salt in soft plastics, why not the unique tail design and other features for Ken Huddleston?

[Vodkaman]

Dave,

You know I know nothing about vortices.

But I do know that, at the time of it's initial release, the Huddleson Soft Swimbait was unique, and preformed like no other swimbait on the market at the time.

I think Ken Huddleston hit a grand slam with it, and it's only fair that he should be able to protect his hard work.

If Gene Lareau can patent salt in soft plastics, why not the unique tail design and other features for Ken Huddleston?

What we don't know is who came up with the original idea and if it was Ken, why didn't he patent it? I guess we will never find out the truth on these issues. The fact is that the wagtail patent was filed in 2002 and the Hudd patent is the same idea. If I duplicated the wagtail on a lure and made a million, huddleston could take me to court and win with his patent. I am not a patent expert, but I can see that something is not right here.

Dave

[mark poulson]

Dave,

You know a lot more about it than I do, so I'll take your word for it.

I don't know if Ken was the original wag tail maker or not.

[capt mike]

Dave,

You know a lot more about it than I do, so I'll take your word for it.

I don't know if Ken was the original wag tail maker or not.

When I was a kid, the Sassy shad came out with a paddle tail. That was over 30 years ago. Remember that lure?

[JSC]

When I was a kid, the Sassy shad came out with a paddle tail. That was over 30 years ago. Remember that lure?

I think some one made it before they did .... (Mr. Twister)

[carolinamike]

Guys it looks like from what I've read, that they're patenting something that's already on the market. Maybe not exactly like what is on the market, but very close. Then if the patent holds up, it's possible they could go after these people that already have a similar product on the market. Now some of you are going to say that if they're on the market, then they're grandfathered in and there's nothing that can really be done to them, this is true, but they can still send out those aggravating cease and desist letters and can end up costing money trying to find out whether or not for sure if you are infringing. I hate to say it but it's been done before in this business. A good example of this a gentleman by the name of Ernest Langley created a jig called a mop jig. Ernest did this many many years ago when textiles was still a thriving industry in the South. There were several operating plants near him so he was able to get a supply of rubber strands that was used for making the elastic in underwear. He started tying jigs with this large rubber and the mop jig was born. Many moons later a company comes out with the mop jig, I will not name them, most everybody knows who it is. It just so happened the two gentlemen that ran this company, their father contacted Mr. Langley years and years ago and asked him if he would show him how to make the mop jig. Mr. Langley would not so now the guy's sons have come out with their own copy, they copyrighted the name of the bait(mop jig), and Mr. Langley starts receiving letters from lawyers. Yes he is the originator but he was not the first one to the copyright office. He actually had to change the name of his product or either go through the horrendous expense and trouble to prove that he'd been around longer than these guys. After researching, it was really not worth the expense. All he would be able to do was use the name mop jig but he still doesn't own the name mop jig, so to spend the amount of money he was going to have to spend it just was not worth it. Dave's right though from what I've read of the patent, a lot of these things are already out on the market. There was a swim bait style bait that was listed, I believe it was figure 36, it has little slits just before the tail to give it more action, I've been producing a swim bait of this type for a company in Germany for a couple of years now. Patents are funny things, you have to be careful cause there's no jury involved in a patent procedure, it's totally left up to a judge. So sometimes it's not worth the risk to fool with.