Kermodebaits Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I know there are many opinions but Im looking for a new plastisol. I have used Polyone with excellent success but its cost is higher than others. I used Chemionics but cant seem to figure it out. I am thinking of trying Calhouns, any opinions on this. I am looking for a plastisol similar to Polyones characteristics but suits my budget. If anyone has a few gallons of polyone loduro they dont use, I would be interested in purchasing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger77 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I know there are many opinions but Im looking for a new plastisol. I have used Polyone with excellent success but its cost is higher than others. I used Chemionics but cant seem to figure it out. I am thinking of trying Calhouns, any opinions on this. I am looking for a plastisol similar to Polyones characteristics but suits my budget. If anyone has a few gallons of polyone loduro they dont use, I would be interested in purchasing it. I only use calhouns and I love it. To me it feels close to zooms plastic. Just have to make sure you shake the crap out of it because it does settle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jig Man Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I have been using Calhouns medium this year and it works for me. I bought mine from Bear's. It was the best price I could find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotwormsbad Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 i am very new to this stuff. Ive only used polyone but was able to get some free samples of a few other types sent to me and most of the suppliers were happy to send them to me after i asked real nice. Just call around and be sweet and they will hook you up. I havent recieved any of them yet but Im anxious to see if there is a cheaper comparable product. A friend that has been doing it for awhile helped me with my first go at pouring a few stiks when i got my kit and he said that he'd never used plastic as good as the polyone and he has tried a few different brands. He said the gloss and clarity was the best he had ever seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryanmc Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I used Chemionics but cant seem to figure it out. I've used Calhoun, Chemionics and Polyone. Polyone was the one I couldn't get to act the way I wanted it to, had to be way too hot to get it to pour correctly, but that's just my experience with it. Calhoun and Chemionics both pour sweet. What couldn't you figure out about Chemionics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mradamh Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I've used Calhoun, Chemionics and Polyone. Polyone was the one I couldn't get to act the way I wanted it to, had to be way too hot to get it to pour correctly, but that's just my experience with it. Calhoun and Chemionics both pour sweet. What couldn't you figure out about Chemionics? Used Calhoun, liked it, especially considering the additional heat stabilizer Switched to MF, heard it was great. It's everything and more than I expected and I like it more than Calhoun, though they raised the price. Purchased a few gallons of Chemionics, and though it's consistency for pouring was great, I do get bubbles that require extra attention, and MF never gave bubbles and didn't hard pack. Chemionics seems a tad softer than the MF. There's good and bad with all I'm sure. MF is a tad "oily" for example, but I think of the 3 products I've worked with I prefer MF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Used Calhoun, liked it, especially considering the additional heat stabilizer Switched to MF, heard it was great. It's everything and more than I expected and I like it more than Calhoun, though they raised the price. Purchased a few gallons of Chemionics, and though it's consistency for pouring was great, I do get bubbles that require extra attention, and MF never gave bubbles and didn't hard pack. Chemionics seems a tad softer than the MF. There's good and bad with all I'm sure. MF is a tad "oily" for example, but I think of the 3 products I've worked with I prefer MF. ......and you can't beat their sinking soft (M-F) for sticks. Approximately, 30% less salt means better colors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermodebaits Posted January 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I bought a paint stirrer for a electric drill for the chemionics, stirred it for a few minutes but it still comes out sticky and slimy. It is so much like water, it makes it hard to inject smoothly and safely or even pour for that matter. Im not sure if its supposed to but the chemionics when going through the heating period doesnt thicken up before reaching the ideal temperature. Is this normal? I know from using polyone, that it thickens up while heating before being reaching the ideal temperature. Also I left a fully cooked pot of chemionics in the pot for over 5 minutes while not exposed to heat and it was still as thin as water. Is that normal. Once it finally does set up, its sticky, mushy, slimy, you name it. And apparently the price of polyone has gone upto 180 dollars for 5 gallons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryanmc Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I bought a paint stirrer for a electric drill for the chemionics, stirred it for a few minutes but it still comes out sticky and slimy. It is so much like water, it makes it hard to inject smoothly and safely or even pour for that matter. Im not sure if its supposed to but the chemionics when going through the heating period doesnt thicken up before reaching the ideal temperature. Is this normal? I know from using polyone, that it thickens up while heating before being reaching the ideal temperature. Also I left a fully cooked pot of chemionics in the pot for over 5 minutes while not exposed to heat and it was still as thin as water. Is that normal. Once it finally does set up, its sticky, mushy, slimy, you name it. And apparently the price of polyone has gone upto 180 dollars for 5 gallons. Something is wrong with that jug of plastic. Almost sounds like all you got was softener with no plastisol, or a mix that was waaaayyyyy out of proportion. Chemionics acts just like any other plastic going through the heating stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotwormsbad Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 i have came to the conclusion that there isnt and never will be a straight answer to the "plastic question". I have searched this forum and others for hours on end for this answer and havent found it yet. I guess you just gotta use different ones and find the one you like. or think you like. who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Baits Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) If you didn't stir it well the first time you used it. You may have poured out the harder or off set the mix. I have done this before forgot to shake it up and didn't relize until I was pouring. If its sticky, mushy, slimy, you name it after it sets up. If you didn't forget to shake it before you used it once something is way wrong with the plastic. Did you call the people you got the plastic from? From time to time the suppliers will get a bad batch of plastic and may not catch it until its in your hands. I know MF had a few drums of bad plastic get out. and Bear have had a few bad drums sent to him and was sent out before he caught it. They both fixed the problem without question and ate the shipping both ways. I am sure Del and then Kim at Lure Craft would do the same if you got the plastic from them. In all the way it sounds its just a messed up batch of plastic you got. So I wouldn't base your opinion on Chemionics just yet. I have used it when we were testing mold out with no trouble at all. Edited January 26, 2011 by Pitbull Baits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kovacs69 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 i have came to the conclusion that there isnt and never will be a straight answer to the "plastic question". I have searched this forum and others for hours on end for this answer and havent found it yet. I guess you just gotta use different ones and find the one you like. or think you like. who knows Something else to consider. Each and every gallon of plastic is different. I say gallon because that is how I get it. One gallon may be from the start of the tank and another from the end. The manufacturing companies usually do not stir / mix the tank as they empty it during the pour so the different chemicals begin to separate out. Usually if you get some from the beginning of the tank it will be a harder because the solids (including the hardener) are heavier than the plastisol itself. The middle to the end of the tank will usually be softer because the hardener settled out and was removed at the beginning of the batch. The very end of the batch is usually very hard because all of the hardener that had settled around the edges or back of the tank ( called the end sludge ) oozes out with the remaining bit of plastisol. There is no way to know what you are getting when you purchase your plastic. Also, what you mix with the plastic makes a difference. Different colors are made from different chemicals and react differently with the plastic. Salt and scents change it even more. It is a guessing game with no real answer. It takes a chemist to figure it out and even then there is still alot of guesswork in it. My 2 cents. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I could be wrong, but i do believe once the distributor opens the 55 gallon drum, he/she empties it into the smaller containers for redistribution. This way they only mix it the one time. If you don't mix the first batch you pour correctly, it throws off all the batches that follow. The only way to "save" the remainder of the container is to either add softener or hardener. Whichever the case may be. You could add it to a fresh container, but more than likely you will just end up with more plastic that you're not happy with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermodebaits Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I am sure I wrecked my liter of soft and hard chemionics but my medium which I just opened and stirred the hell out of it which a drill and paint stirrer worked out. a few bubbles but other than that, good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mradamh Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 I am sure I wrecked my liter of soft and hard chemionics but my medium which I just opened and stirred the hell out of it which a drill and paint stirrer worked out. a few bubbles but other than that, good. There is no hard pack in MF plastic. You don't have to even shake it up. A few different places sell it (and prices are almost identical at each place), and depending where you are located you can save some money on shipping based on who you purchase it from. Of the brands I've tried there's things I like about them all, but I prefer MF. I'm rolling through some Chemionics right now that I received as a gift and it isn't horrible, I just run into less issues with MF in terms of bubbles, smoke, scent, etc...there's more than 1 way to skin a cat though, others say the same for LC, Polyone, Calhoun, and swear by them. You're right, give them all a try and see. Most will send you samples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
