Richard Prager Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Wait a minute..... So what your saying is all the RC/MB knock-offs are really one of kind because they are made with different plastic and rattle chambers You can't justifiably argue it both ways. If it is shaped alike and made of wood then it is a knock-off by TU lure standards. Which I find ironic when this entire website is based on making a bait cheaper or simply copying an orginial. Look in the mirror folks. If you say you havent copied something or someone your not a very honest person. I will tell you right now I will copy anything I think is cool. I will change it slightly to be more cool but at least I openly admit it. And I could care less if someone copies me. Why do ya'll care anyway. If ya don't like them don't buy them. Maybe the individual seller thinks they are better than the original. He is entitled to his opinion just like you and I. If they keep selling finished baits at $5ea they wont be around long. Besides I don't think many people who offered an opinion this topic own or have ever thrown a real MB Ito jerkbait. It is like giving an opinion on a vehicle you have never owned. Well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyonmonday Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) Considering I consider myself an inventor http://dictionary.re...browse/Inventor It is hard to believe for me to believe anyone can think they can steal, and it is fine and dandy all because others do it, even if it a small item that is NOT important to the masses that believe it to be sane all because it is easily duplicated.. Even if it is a light bulb, the person that INVENTED it is going to consider it stealing, As soon as a price tag is put on it.. Edited March 9, 2011 by onlyonmonday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePaintsBaits Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I own (4) MB ito 110's I guess my opinion counts ? LOL Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbrushextreme Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 the guys who think they are getting the real thing or getting away with paying a whole lot less for knockoffs when they buy knockoffs are usually the guys who are too tight to spend a little extra money and buy the real thing dont realize knockoffs may look exact in appearance but they dont fish the same I had a customer send me the first 110 knockoffs I ever seen about 2 years ago he gave me 20 to paint and 20 to keep for myself he also sent me 35 true 110's of odd and good colors still in the hard plastic box to paint and 10 true 110's for me to keep in colors I requested out of the 20 knockoffs I kept for myself 4 were really good the others a rogue or husky jerk would work as good as if not better I spent several thousand over the last couple years on some of the best japanese baits out there lucky craft megabass zipbait evergreen tiemco just to name a few I have had amateurs/nonboaters fish with me in several tournaments and say I will catch them with this such and such bait and by the middle of the day they are saying what is that bait called do you think the local tackle shop has any and a little later could I borrow one of those and my answer is always but you have to pay for it if you lose it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 the guys who think they are getting the real thing or getting away with paying a whole lot less for knockoffs when they buy knockoffs are usually the guys who are too tight to spend a little extra money and buy the real thing dont realize knockoffs may look exact in appearance but they dont fish the same I had a customer send me the first 110 knockoffs I ever seen about 2 years ago he gave me 20 to paint and 20 to keep for myself he also sent me 35 true 110's of odd and good colors still in the hard plastic box to paint and 10 true 110's for me to keep in colors I requested out of the 20 knockoffs I kept for myself 4 were really good the others a rogue or husky jerk would work as good as if not better I spent several thousand over the last couple years on some of the best japanese baits out there lucky craft megabass zipbait evergreen tiemco just to name a few I have had amateurs/nonboaters fish with me in several tournaments and say I will catch them with this such and such bait and by the middle of the day they are saying what is that bait called do you think the local tackle shop has any and a little later could I borrow one of those and my answer is always but you have to pay for it if you lose it Dude, You Dah Man!!!!! Adopt me, and I'll field test those pricey lures for you! Seriously, everyone has to learn the hard lessons in life for themselves. "You get what you pay for" and "There's no free lunch" come to mind. I have never found a better jerkbait than the Orbit 80, a Zip Lures bait from Japan, at $16 a pop. The suspend, so I lose fishing time retrieving them, but I treat them like my children. If I lose one, the flag goes to half mast! I've bought some KO cranks and painted them, and caught fish on them, but, when it's money time, I throw the originals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbrushextreme Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Dude, You Dah Man!!!!! Adopt me, and I'll field test those pricey lures for you! Seriously, everyone has to learn the hard lessons in life for themselves. "You get what you pay for" and "There's no free lunch" come to mind. I have never found a better jerkbait than the Orbit 80, a Zip Lures bait from Japan, at $16 a pop. The suspend, so I lose fishing time retrieving them, but I treat them like my children. If I lose one, the flag goes to half mast! I've bought some KO cranks and painted them, and caught fish on them, but, when it's money time, I throw the originals. I have went swimming for a couple megabass crankbaits and have pulled up brushpiles to get several jerkbaits of various brands back I too cherish a certain color orbit 80 and a zip baits speed kid they stay in a locked waterproof storage box in the boat but I treat all of my japanese baits like fine jewelry they get more and better attention than my wife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I have went swimming for a couple megabass crankbaits and have pulled up brushpiles to get several jerkbaits of various brands back I too cherish a certain color orbit 80 and a zip baits speed kid they stay in a locked waterproof storage box in the boat but I treat all of my japanese baits like fine jewelry they get more and better attention than my wife At least you don't tie a rope around her neck and throw her in the river to tease the crocodiles. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePaintsBaits Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) I'll have too look into that orbit 80 , is the company called zip lures? Dave , that was too funny Mike Edited March 10, 2011 by MikePaintsBaits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I googled Zip Baits, and found it. I used to get them at Anglers Marine in Anaheim, but they no longer carry them. If you're in SoCal, Rich Tauber is their rep. here. You can google him. I think his website had something about the baits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lure--Prof Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 I can't wait until someone starts selling knockoff clearcoats. We'll probably have members getting banned in those discussions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 I can't wait until someone starts selling knockoff clearcoats. We'll probably have members getting banned in those discussions! Maybe Clearcoat Labs will replace Meth Labs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Maybe Clearcoat Labs will replace Meth Labs Now that is funny!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Maybe Clearcoat Labs will replace Meth Labs Now that you mention that I wonder what our neighbors think when we're walking around with cans of chemicals, wearing respirators and working in our workshops and garages all hours of the day and night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Guys are gonna do what they're gonna do. If I want a Megabass Ito Vision 110, I buy the real thing (and have!). I figure I'm ahead doing that rather than buying 3 KO's that certainly won't perform the same and may not catch fish. That's wasting my fun time - and there can never be enough fun time. I have a bass boat I paid thousands of dollars for which surely doesn't sip $3.20/gal gasoline, a bunch of high end rods and reels that I fill with fluorocarbon or braid that costs a minimum of $`15 per spool. Am I now gonna cheap out on a $17 jerkbait? No. Can a less affluent guy in a Jon boat who refuses to buy a crankbait that costs more than $5 whip my butt? Yeah, some days. I believe fishing is mostly about finding fish. But good gear and good baits help and most days, I like my chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbass Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Did you guys see that last weekends everstart tournament was won on a megabass knock off? Dave ryan won on baits he paints and sells .Maybe these are better than you guys think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Thanks for posting that. He cashed a pretty nice check! http://www.flwoutdoors.com/bassfishing/afs/tournament/2011/6564/lake-of-the-ozarks-headline-story/152071/ryan-reaches-the-top/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambennett Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 That brings up an interesting point: that bait is marketed as a "Black Market 110" instead of a Megabass 110. Aside from whatever you think about the quality of KOs, do you think how they are marketed makes a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I would imagine that the "Black Market 110" was tagged by the writer to avoid any type of negative feedback. I don't think it was marketing but more to keep the peace. It does kind of fit right in with the name.......Tackleunderground! They happen to be an excellent blank and if you you have the right hardware on, the bait will just sit there for as long as you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambennett Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) I went over to the website where they sell them and that's what they were called on the site. I guess my question is does private-labeling a knock-off make it less of a knock-off? And more of.. erm.. a new brand EDITED: Here's the link to the site - http://www.burtonsbaitandtackle.com/BaitTackle/Daves.htm Edited March 18, 2011 by sambennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Moreau Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I went over to the website where they sell them and that's what they were called on the site. I guess my question is does private-labeling a knock-off make it less of a knock-off? And more of.. erm.. a new brand EDITED: Here's the link to the site - http://www.burtonsbaitandtackle.com/BaitTackle/Daves.htm WOW....$50.00 for a balsa crank bait? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 WOW....$50.00 for a balsa crank bait? Considering how long it takes me to build and paint a wood bait $50 seems like a pretty good deal. If I were selling anything I made and expected to make a profit I'd have to charge about $400 per bait. Hooks and split rings not included. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePaintsBaits Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) If anyone is paying $20 to $30 for a custom painted black market 110 , they must have some cells missing , one other guy on ebay is asking around $20 for his custom painted 110 ko's. The real deal runs $18 to $25. Mike Edited March 19, 2011 by MikePaintsBaits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Considering how long it takes me to build and paint a wood bait $50 seems like a pretty good deal. If I were selling anything I made and expected to make a profit I'd have to charge about $400 per bait. Hooks and split rings not included. Ben This is why I don't sell baits. I could just about do it for $50 a piece, but the $41 shipping fees killed that idea. The customer would have to buy ten, before I would even consider eating the shipping. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucestacklebox Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Here is one of my knockoffs..It was free didnt cost me a thing...you can bid on it right now on ebay! and Support the Victory Junction Charity. People will buy original items. Tator Hog, I love the pic of your knock off lure..lmfao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucestacklebox Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Maybe Clearcoat Labs will replace Meth Labs lmfao.. tooo funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
