bassin75 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I am new to the site and jig making. I have made about 50 jigs now and I am having a problem with the weed guards. I pour the heads with the pin in, then powder paint the heads and cure them like I have read about on here. When I put the weedguard in with super glue gel, I get a white discoloration around the weedguard on the paint. Am I using too much glue, but seems like when I don't use enough some of the weedguards will pop out after drying. Thanks for you help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Yes, that is exactly what's happening. That's the one thing that irks me the most. You might try either cleaning out the opening a bit with a dremel or maybe removing a few strands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 You may want to try using an epoxy or a gel type glue, regular super glue tend to wick up the weed guard strands and it also leaves a residue that is off colored but the gels and epoxy usually dry clear plus it is a lot easier to see and remove the excess that comes out after you put the weed guard in. I do have a question for you, after painting, are the pin holes on your jigs clear of paint? When you have a clean weed guard hole the guards should fit tightly to the point of not falling out, if you are able to turn the jig over so that the guard is facing down and it falls out you have a problem, either the weed guard isn't the right size or the pin hole is filled with paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassin75 Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 You may want to try using an epoxy or a gel type glue, regular super glue tend to wick up the weed guard strands and it also leaves a residue that is off colored but the gels and epoxy usually dry clear plus it is a lot easier to see and remove the excess that comes out after you put the weed guard in. I do have a question for you, after painting, are the pin holes on your jigs clear of paint? When you have a clean weed guard hole the guards should fit tightly to the point of not falling out, if you are able to turn the jig over so that the guard is facing down and it falls out you have a problem, either the weed guard isn't the right size or the pin hole is filled with paint. I am using Super glue gel (loctite). There is some paint in the holes and I use a 1/8" drill bit to clean them out a bit before i put the weedgaurd in, mostly they fit pretty snug, but the smaller jig heads are the ones I seem to have the problems with the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) bassin75 Yes that does happen with super glue gel. What's happening is as the glue dries the cyanoacylate flashes off and leaves a white residue. This is normal and there is nothing you can do about it. Definitely do not put less glue as it will not hold the weedguard in place. Wait for the glue to dry thoroughly about 5 hours. Then take your jigs and wipe off the white powdery residue. Your other choices are D2T(Devcon 2 Ton) however it take about 12 hours to fully cure. I also don't use a full weedguard so if you take a couple strands off it will fit in easier. Also I used to drill out my weedguard hole with a drill..... no more. I had a lot of custom pins made out of nylon that I now use for pouring and painting. I will never use steel pull pins again. If you have to use pliers to pull your pins out and I know you do, then you have at times stabbed yourself with the hook point. These pins I have ,come out with no force at all and can be used over and over again until you lose them. I see you have a PM in for me . I will reply shortly and send you some info on these pins as well. There are other glues that guys use on here so I'm sure you will get more info. You may find something you like better. BTW, Welcome to TU, everyone here is very helpful . Just ask and someone will give you an answer. Edited February 11, 2011 by cadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 but the smaller jig heads are the ones I seem to have the problems with the most. If you use some of the smaller 1/8 oz jigs in the round and football heads, yes there is a problem. Because there is very little lead to hold the weedguard as the head is so small that the weedguard hole isn't deep enough. This is where the nylon pins will come in handy. If you notice that that steel pins that come with your mold have a head to keep it in the mold. Also you will notice that the steel pin doesn't go up to the hook and touch it If it did you would have more of the jig wall to hold your weedguard in. The pins I have will solve that problem. They go up to the hook, making a deeper weedguard hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassin75 Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Thanks everyone for your comments and suggestions. I am sure it will help a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timturr Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Bassin75, When I powder paint jigs I use 1/8 inch wood dowel rod in the weedguard hole to keep the paint out of the hole. Dowel rod is easily found at any hardware or home supply store. Just cut a small piece 2 inches long and place it in the weedguard hole after the jig is heated but before it is swished through the paint. I use Titebond gel superglue for my weedguards. It is very thick and dries clear. It can be purchased at Woodcraft.com. I use water bottle caps to quirt some glue in then I dip the weedguard in the glue and place in the jig. This technique seems to work better because glue is not forced out of the hole as the weedguard is pushed in. Plus you don't use an excessive amount of glue. Just my 2 cents hope this helps Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I use Titebond gel superglue for my weedguards. It is very thick and dries clear. It can be purchased at Woodcraft.com. I use water bottle caps to quirt some glue in then I dip the weedguard in the glue and place in the jig. This technique seems to work better because glue is not forced out of the hole as the weedguard is pushed in. Plus you don't use an excessive amount of glue. Just my 2 cents hope this helps Tim Tim, I am interested in trying this. I looked on the website you posted but don't see anything like you mentioned. Do you have a pic of the bottle you can e-mail me or a direct link. Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddoglures Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Tim, I am interested in trying this. I looked on the website you posted but don't see anything like you mentioned. Do you have a pic of the bottle you can e-mail me or a direct link. Thanks in advance When I poured for years, I had the same problems. I always used dremel to size hole. I used Super Glue Gel I do not pour any longer, but if I was? I would surely start using Gorilla Glue, it expands to fill up nicely. You might try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 When I poured for years, I had the same problems. I always used dremel to size hole. I used Super Glue Gel I do not pour any longer, but if I was? I would surely start using Gorilla Glue, it expands to fill up nicely. You might try it. Maddog, The things I heard about Gorilla Glue is #1, it expands too much and overflows and #2 it doesn't dry clear. If any of this is true than I can deal with #1, however I can not have any glue that dries yellow or any color other than clear. So have any of you guys out there tried Gorilla Glue and does it dry clear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtoolsniper Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Maddog, The things I heard about Gorilla Glue is #1, it expands too much and overflows and #2 it doesn't dry clear. If any of this is true than I can deal with #1, however I can not have any glue that dries yellow or any color other than clear. So have any of you guys out there tried Gorilla Glue and does it dry clear? Gorilla glue dries to a brownish color. I do a lot of woodworking and have tried most every glue out there. It foams as it expands to fill a gap. It is a polyurethane glue that moisture cures on your project and in the bottle (short shelf life). It's really a tough glue in the right place if you can clean up the foam. I would stick to epoxy as my first choice, I don't care much for super glue because it tends to un-super glue itself after a period of time. I used to glue the tubes into my pen blanks with it and after about a year they would come loose. I haven't had an epoxy glued blank come apart yet. I am gluing brass to plastic or wood for this application. PVA (Poly Vinyl Acetate) glues (Titebond, Elmers, yellow or white) are designed for a porous surface which you do not have in a weed guard or a jig head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassin75 Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Thanks for all the suggestions and comments. I painted and glued about 75 football head jigs this weekend and started using the devcon epoxy, I like it much better for the weedgaurds. It's cleans up better and it doesn't leave a white residue on the jig head if you get a little on the paint. Also wanna thank Cadman for the Fluid bed plans, can't believe the difference it makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Thanks for all the suggestions and comments. I painted and glued about 75 football head jigs this weekend and started using the devcon epoxy, I like it much better for the weedgaurds. It's cleans up better and it doesn't leave a white residue on the jig head if you get a little on the paint. Also wanna thank Cadman for the Fluid bed plans, can't believe the difference it makes. bassin'75 Glad it all worked out for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
