davefarley98 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 What are the advantages/disadvantages of hand pouring worms in a two piece mold vs. Injecting them. I a m gonna be injecting senkos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jig Man Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 I have done it both ways but prefer to pour. I get a better bait that way and I can do lams and swirls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHK Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 I have done it both ways but prefer to pour. I get a better bait that way and I can do lams and swirls. Both Lams and swirls are 100% achievable injecting. i switched to injection for stick baits, the biggest advantage i found is that i can produce 2.5 time the quantity in the same amount of time with 5 fewer cavities. it really comes down to preference. i prefer to inject them, you might prefer to pour them. here is a pic from another site, these baits are from bear's 5.5" fat stick (injection) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atijigs Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 What are the advantages/disadvantages of hand pouring worms in a two piece mold vs. Injecting them. I a m gonna be injecting senkos. Senkos should not be much of a problem either way. Some of the other hand pour molds if injected will give you tags in the vents. You have to decide if you want to remove these or leave them. Even pouring when the mold gets warm you will start seeing the plastic working it's way into the vents. They are easily pulled off. Senkos are easy to pull vent tags off. Some of the craw molds are a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Do a dearch in the gallery for "tiger's blood" under my name and you'll see something you can't do with injection. I prefer to handpour. You can do things that you just can't do with injection.(look at Grumpys and frogs in my gallery). Handpouring is where the artform is. All thet being said; I do not knock anyone for using injetion. You can produce more baits in a shorter time. It all depends on what you are wanting/needing to do. Some years ago I had a contract with a company to supply fluke-type baits. They were all 2 color baits and I could pour approximately 600 in 8 hours. I mixed and heated my plastic the same as I do now(pyrex cups). I used 12 two cavity molds of this bait.(LC'S) www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Baits Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Hand pouring is more of a art form and a skill. There a few tricks to injection but you are limited in colors you can do and how many tricks you can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassfearme Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 hand pouring is better because you can make your own molds out of whatever you want to! it also takes more skill and finesse. get more satisfaction out of catching that big one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 This topic has been talked about many times. Simply stated, injection permits you to shoot many different styles of baits- including twp-color w/ small appendages and thin tails. Hand pouring may be considered an art form by some and so it is but as a commercial producer,it's just too time consuming w/ many caveats- (mainly consistency) associated with the task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Baits Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 This topic has been talked about many times. Simply stated, injection permits you to shoot many different styles of baits- including twp-color w/ small appendages and thin tails. Hand pouring may be considered an art form by some and so it is but as a commercial producer,it's just too time consuming w/ many caveats- (mainly consistency) associated with the task. I can pour a ton of plastics and they are all the same. If your getting in this to make a ton of money that won't happen. With injection how many people are really making different baits? Hand injection basicly runs the price down cause your trying to sell aginst another guy that makes the same thing as you make. With pouring two colors in small appendages I can put three in. Injection and hand pour you really can't compare colors or styles aginst each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marks Lures Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Do a dearch in the gallery for "tiger's blood" under my name and you'll see something you can't do with injection. I prefer to handpour. You can do things that you just can't do with injection.(look at Grumpys and frogs in my gallery). Handpouring is where the artform is. All thet being said; I do not knock anyone for using injetion. You can produce more baits in a shorter time. It all depends on what you are wanting/needing to do. Some years ago I had a contract with a company to supply fluke-type baits. They were all 2 color baits and I could pour approximately 600 in 8 hours. I mixed and heated my plastic the same as I do now(pyrex cups). I used 12 two cavity molds of this bait.(LC'S) www.novalures.com Searched a few different ways to look at the Tiger's Blood, Nothing came up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Searched a few different ways to look at the Tiger's Blood, Nothing came up The gallery search function does not seem to be working. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) Double post, please delete. Edited April 26, 2011 by Vodkaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marks Lures Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 The gallery search function does not seem to be working. Dave Thanks, for the confirmation, went to Nova Lures, I see what Nova is talking about, a hand pour then if you want a little red in the front you can just pour a little red. You can not add a highlight color with injection. I do not think that just because it is an injected lure that it would drive the price down, Ford, GM and Chrysler all buld cars on an assembly line, each is a little different. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Searched a few different ways to look at the Tiger's Blood, Nothing came up Try this. Go to softbait gallery and search "nova". www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Try this. Go to softbait gallery and search "nova". www.novalures.com Tried. Nothing. Are you sure that you are a member? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Baits Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Thanks, for the confirmation, went to Nova Lures, I see what Nova is talking about, a hand pour then if you want a little red in the front you can just pour a little red. You can not add a highlight color with injection. I do not think that just because it is an injected lure that it would drive the price down, Ford, GM and Chrysler all buld cars on an assembly line, each is a little different. Mark What I am saying about the price going down is. If ya got 10 people that are all selling lets say Bears 3 1/2 inch frog mold. Thats 10 people trying to beat out each other by pricing cause they all have the samething to sell. The only way to beat the other guy is to have lower prices which drives the price down. Color doesn't matter to much since all 10 can pour the same colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Tried. Nothing. Are you sure that you are a member? Dave Good one Dave;lol. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Go to the softbait gallery and scroll down. On the bottom row you will see Tiger's Blood. Click on the pic for a better view. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largehead Louie Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) 3 Color Injection is also VERY possible. These 3 colors were injected at the same time. Edited April 27, 2011 by Largehead Louie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerworm Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 you can actually do 4 color injection by hand also!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largehead Louie Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 you can actually do 4 color injection by hand also!! Yes, yes you can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marks Lures Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 What I am saying about the price going down is. If ya got 10 people that are all selling lets say Bears 3 1/2 inch frog mold. Thats 10 people trying to beat out each other by pricing cause they all have the samething to sell. The only way to beat the other guy is to have lower prices which drives the price down. Color doesn't matter to much since all 10 can pour the same colors. Oh, so they they don't die-grind on the molds to change the action a little, like I do. They do not have several different UV additives, because game fish have one UV eye cone. Bass really taste with nerves so smell all you want, then try it under water to see what I mean. Last of my final batch of amino acids came in for the final scent. Looked at all the patents and atom chain things that relate to the patents, one turns on fish taste the other turns off fish taste. Came up with a second best that turns on fish taste. The big boys will know what I am talking about, spectra analysis will be different (jamming chemicals), so would the chain, you would have a chance to figure out what I did if I patent it.... Not. Oh, wait.... I would really have to sell the lures I make, not keep them for myself, just tried to sell one that the wifey busted me on the 6.75" tube worm that I worked with Jason to make, have my reasons for making it. Got a Mino HD last week to make the "hat-cam". Last but not least my Mr. CC Croaker, (you should all have figured out this one) the Caney Creek Croaker or frog. I am going to modify the tool to make a dual injection hollow frog. The half pour is cool. I am going to try to change the rules on injecting. Designed a core shot injector, that I will finish one of these days. Could also make a "perfect swirl injector" but not much into swirls. Got hooked on this in 1968 when I took the little creepy crawler lobster (that I made) on a hook and caught the biggest blue gill of my life. So the molds and the colors are the same... think outside the box, what will make my lures work better than the next guy , and I really do not have to say anything about it, because there will be repeat customers. Some day I might actually sell some of the lures I make, right now I am looking at a new box that has 5 gallons of MF fun, I say that is because I used to make POP molds for weight systems and soft plastics, now I really like the aluminum molds after the Tube Worm Mold that CCM did for me. Think I have rambled on way too long tonight. Regards Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Baits Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Most people don't have the resources like you or the know how to alter there molds and plastic like you. They mainly have the same injection molds as the next guy. So they are selling the samething. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marks Lures Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Most people don't have the resources like you or the know how to alter there molds and plastic like you. They mainly have the same injection molds as the next guy. So they are selling the samething. But they have some really awesome websites! And looking at the sites, no way I could tell it was from the same mold. I give a lot of creative credit. Unless someone really knows. The better picture and marketing will get the sales. Many companies make a tube jig, to the person that buys that tube jig, it is really not the same thing. Regards Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 If it is quantity you are after, go with injection. If you are looking to make some better money, go with hand pour and get good. Please reference the Bassmaster Magazine article recently or contact Basstrix Bait company. I cannot remember at time when a pack of 4 injection baits sold for over $100. Basstrix did that for months on end recently. There are pluses and minuses of both techniques for sure. I do both on a daily basis adn can list them if interested. I would like to see a batch (not one bait but 50 baits) of the 3 color and 4 color hand injection baits. Not saying they are not good but reliability/reproducibility is not there. With hand pouring it is. Personally, I like to be able to do both with skill and like to mix the 2 together at times. In my opinion, hand pouring is a skill that many cannot do well or are not willing to try. Injection can be performed by anyone right out of the gate. That fact is why a hand injection bait, just as a machine injection bait, will not capture the price a quality hand poured bait will. I'd rather make 5 baits that I can sell for $1 each than have to make 20 baits that I have to sell for .25 for that same $5. When you look at it from that perspective, hand pouring is more time effective and profitable. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
