rixon529 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Rick – thanks for the information. I will see if I can find corn syrup, I don’t remember seeing it on the shelves. I will then have a read, to find out how to get the sorbitol extracted. I was right, gelatin is not readily available, as Muslims are not allowed to consume products that were derived from pig. This brings my gelatin experiments to a halt. I did find agar agar. Sold in 10 gram packets, it works similar to gelatin powder. I had to add 4x the water, to get a pour able liquid. The result was a white opaque solid with a little elasticity, but when you try to explore the elasticity, the tail snaps off. This is a great pity, as you could get a lot of baits from one packet, twenty packets would make a gallon, which would cost $5.60 and this price would come down if I could find it in larger quantities. I tried a 50:50 mix with gelatin. The result shared the properties of each, slightly opaque, more flex, but tore very easily. I am going to have to have a street party for all the kids, to get rid of all this jelly now. Dave Hi Dave. I did a little websurfing and came up with a couple of alternatives for "Halal" non-animal gelatin sources in addition to the agar you have already mentioned. You may have better luck finding one of these in your area. Kappa carrageenan - made from red seaweed Pectin - fruit derivative used in the making of jellies and jams. May take considerably more than normal use quantity to create the gel consistency you're trying to achieve. Konjac - (also known as konjak, konjaku, devil's tongue, voodoo lily, snake palm, and elephant yam) It is native to warm subtropical to tropical eastern Asia, from China and Japan south to Indonesia. It is used as a vegan substitute for gelatin. It is typically firmer in consistency than most gelatins. Of the three, I think konjac may become your best bet. The big drawback I can foresee (from my reading) is the likelihood of loss of the clarity associated with "true" gelatin. Good luck. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Rick - thanks for your help. I just tried a few more experiments, using the agar with glycerin. It is close. Crystal clear, good flexibility, density only a shade denser than water, but still no tear strength. such a shame really. Well, at least I have something to play with, for soft bait experiments and prototypes. I have tried the conjak powder route, about a year ago. I could not get it to work. I could not find one of the components necessary, calcium hydroxide. I tried to make my own from egg shells, but could not get it to work. Will circle back to this when I find the lime water. The pectin and kappa look interesting. I will have a read and have put a note in my wallet for when I am out shopping. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Just had a thought. Has anyone tried "Jello" and added more gelatin to give it a firmer body? If it works you now have color and scent built right in. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbrinlee Posted May 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Just had a thought. Has anyone tried "Jello" and added more gelatin to give it a firmer body? If it works you now have color and scent built right in. www.novalures.com And if it doesn't work out you have dessert too! Tony Rick - thanks for your help. I just tried a few more experiments, using the agar with glycerin. It is close. Crystal clear, good flexibility, density only a shade denser than water, but still no tear strength. such a shame really. Well, at least I have something to play with, for soft bait experiments and prototypes. I have tried the conjak powder route, about a year ago. I could not get it to work. I could not find one of the components necessary, calcium hydroxide. I tried to make my own from egg shells, but could not get it to work. Will circle back to this when I find the lime water. The pectin and kappa look interesting. I will have a read and have put a note in my wallet for when I am out shopping. Dave I'll have to give the Agar a try. Good idea. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madeye Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Did any more come out of the Gelatine test. I constantly get asked if i can make GULP lures but so far i have been unable to find any info about what is used to make so called "bio Baits" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I abandoned the idea for now, but will return to it in the future. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Why not just buy some glow powder from bearsbaits and use it directly in your plastic? Works fantastically, and glows longer than any bait I have ever seen. I use 1/8tsp in 4 oz and they glow like a lightbulb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
