Old Lc Green Pump Vs New

[BBK]

I read a long time ago, that lurecraft changed their green pumpkin recipe. I was wondering when they did that, and if it has changed again recently?

I have a bottle I bought about 2-3 years ago, and it is very dark. 15 drops per 6 oz works great. Now I was just shown a picture from a very experienced bait maker, his was lighter than mine and he used 40 drops per 6 oz. He said he bought his a month ago.

Do I have old GP or did they change it again?

[carolinamike]

I read a long time ago, that lurecraft changed their green pumpkin recipe. I was wondering when they did that, and if it has changed again recently?

I have a bottle I bought about 2-3 years ago, and it is very dark. 15 drops per 6 oz works great. Now I was just shown a picture from a very experienced bait maker, his was lighter than mine and he used 40 drops per 6 oz. He said he bought his a month ago.

Do I have old GP or did they change it again?

BBK, you probably have the same green pumpkin. They've probably increased the break down. Most of the pigments used in plastisol in their pure form are thick like a paste and some are like a real thick paint and some are even powders. To make it user friendly most places that redistribute coloring and pigments, have to be broken down for use by the hand pour folks. This is the reason that if a bottle of coloring sits for awhile you get a separation between the material that was used to break it down and the pigment. A good break down ratio is 2 or 3 to 1. In other words, 2 or 3 parts of plasticizer let's say, to 1 part pigment. But being that the economy is so tough right now, it wouldn't surprise me if some folks are doing a 5 to 1 or even a 6 to 1 break down. That's the reason you get a darker and lighter coloring. The lighter one doesn't have as much pigment. I guess I was one of the only hand pour folks that used the pure pigment and take my word for it, it is a mess. About a half of a gram would do 20 oz of plastic, but I still had to break it down in a little plasticizer to get it to mix well in the plastisol. If not, I would have had to have continually stirred for 15 or 20 minutes to get it incorporated. You may have to use more coloring than what you did on the last that you ordered. And keep in mind it may be a little softer.

[Richard Prager]

The "new" GP is more on the green side and the "old" gp had more brown in it. The strengths were about the same. I used 18 drops (no salt baits)per 8oz. of either.

[Smallie]

BBK, you probably have the same green pumpkin. They've probably increased the break down. Most of the pigments used in plastisol in their pure form are thick like a paste and some are like a real thick paint and some are even powders. To make it user friendly most places that redistribute coloring and pigments, have to be broken down for use by the hand pour folks. This is the reason that if a bottle of coloring sits for awhile you get a separation between the material that was used to break it down and the pigment. A good break down ratio is 2 or 3 to 1. In other words, 2 or 3 parts of plasticizer let's say, to 1 part pigment. But being that the economy is so tough right now, it wouldn't surprise me if some folks are doing a 5 to 1 or even a 6 to 1 break down. That's the reason you get a darker and lighter coloring. The lighter one doesn't have as much pigment. I guess I was one of the only hand pour folks that used the pure pigment and take my word for it, it is a mess. About a half of a gram would do 20 oz of plastic, but I still had to break it down in a little plasticizer to get it to mix well in the plastisol. If not, I would have had to have continually stirred for 15 or 20 minutes to get it incorporated. You may have to use more coloring than what you did on the last that you ordered. And keep in mind it may be a little softer.

Mike - what is your source for this pigment? I like to play around with some custom colors.

[powerworm]

lureworks i betcha im right on this one. same goes for bear but for the smaller people a gallon of pigment is way over board cost and amount you could color with it

[Frank]

The old color is more of an olive and really opaque. The new one is greener darker and more transperant.

Smallie I asked Don from spike it about that, he said they were about $180 a pound wiht a 2 pound minimium for eack color.

Frank

[BBK]

so I guess I have new GP then? This is 15 drops in 6oz

[Frank]

Yes that is the new one.

[nova]

so I guess I have new GP then? This is 15 drops in 6oz

Put a very little copper pearl with that and I think you'll like what you get.

www.novalures.com

[GB GONE]

Both make nice colors but different as has been described. I still have a quart of the "old" stuff. I use it every day I'd bet.

PS Mike brings up a good and important point. The pigment is just mixed with softener so the more colorant you add, the softer your baits will come out. 50 drops of a colorant will impact your resulting baits significantly if you are already starting out with super soft plastisol.

Jim

Edited August 15, 2011 by ghostbaits

[carolinamike]

BBK, I mainly mentioned the breakdown process because you said it took 15 drops one time and 40 another. Now if they've switched suppliers, then it's very possible that you got a different shade of green pumpkin.

Smallie, good to hear from you, sorry I didn't respond sooner. I had a battle with a smallmouth yesterday at the river and I won. Powerworm's right, you can buy it from Lureworks and Frank's probably about dead on with the price too. But if I've got the math figured right, at a half of a gram per 20 oz's that's around 1300 runs. You need an accurate set of gram scales and remember this stuff is messy, so messy. A little goes a long way. I keep imaging what some of the guys at the late night convenient stores think when a fella walks in with all different colors on his shirt, sparkly colored glitter all over his face and arms and maybe every once in awhile a little hi-lite on his fingers. But seriously, it seems to be like a magnet, it gets everywhere. If you get a little bit on the outside of the container and brush up against it, your furniture is probably going to have a new color scheme. If you get it on your shoes, there goes the carpet, unless spots are part of your pattern. Remember too that to break it down in a little bit of plastic softener, just so it will incorporate well in the plastisol. It will incorporate without it, but I wouldn't do that unless I had an automatic stirrer and probably 30 minutes is a good stir time. But the good thing about this is the consistency, you always get the same color everytime. Even if I was using drops, I think I would prefer to weigh it, just to try to hold on to consistencies. But remember, this stuff doesn't make drops.

[LureCraft]

Just so everyone knows, we do not change our recipes or dilute our coloring from one time to the next no matter what the economy does, however, if my gals don't let it mix up well enough before putting it in the bottles, there could be some variation and I would like to know about that. The reason we are having to change some of our coloring is because we are running out of the base color and they last so long (some are 15 or more years old) and when we go to get new, some are not made any longer so we have to have new formulated. We are trying to get as close to the existing colors as possible but is very difficult. We understand the importance of color change because we pour baits ourselves.

[LureCraft]

I guess I should add too that not all but some pigments have phthalates in them. When diluted in the plastic though, many of them are small enough in volume that they are still considered phthalate free because you are allowed so many parts per unit.

[powerworm]

parts per unit is like measuring for drunk drivers you are allowed to have some in your system when "free" actually doesnt mean "free"

[Fish Candy Bait Company]

I guess I should add too that not all but some pigments have phthalates in them. When diluted in the plastic though, many of them are small enough in volume that they are still considered phthalate free because you are allowed so many parts per unit.

Close enough to phtalate free works for me.