ING Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 If I would like to make three color blade of spinner (like Mepp's flying "C" - green, yellow, red) with shiny back side, what sequence of powder painting operations has to be? What material I can use for masking the back side? I know that powder paint's colors sometimes blending and creating different color. Has painting be done in several steps with curing between them? Will appreciate any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) ING, To answer your question. There are several things I would need to know. What is the predominant color, that would be your base color, Then apply your other colors of powder over that in whichever order you want them. A picture of the color you are trying to match or a picture of the lure would help. I have done hundreds of multi-color jigs and spinnerbaits as you can see by my avatar. If you need more assistance you will probably get some more answers here, or PM me your e-mail address and I will help you out with your powder painting. As far as what sticks to a hot lead jig or blade, absolutely nothing. I have tried it all and you can get some teflon tape to work, but it is not 100 %. Hope this helps. Edited September 20, 2011 by cadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ING Posted September 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 ING, To answer your question. There are several things I would need to know. predominant color, Then apply your other colors of powder over that in whichever order you want them. A picture of the color you are trying to match or a picture of the lure would help. I have done hundreds of multi-color jigs and spinnerbaits as you can see by my avatar. If you need more assistance you will probably get some more answers here, or PM me your e-mail address and I will help you out with your powder painting. As far as what sticks to a hot lead jig or blade, absolutely nothing. I have tried it all and you can get some teflon tape to work, but it is not 100 %. Hope this helps. Thank you for reply! What is the predominant color that would be my base color, it is a part of MY question. I have no any experience in that. I've asked for three color blade - green, yellow and red adjacent strips like Mepp's "flying C" for example. http://www.histackleboxshop.com/Mepps-FC78-Flying-C-7-8oz-Hook-p/mepps-flc-tr-fc78-7-8.htm There are any recommendations what color have to be chosen for base? More light like yellow or it is depends from paint’s parameters? How to avoid mixing of the colors? Is curing with following brushing guarantee non-mixing? Thank you again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 Hi ING, I afraid nobody can give you non-mixing guarantee, as well as straight recipes for multicolor powder painting. In your case maybe this video from TJ gives you an idea: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) ING, If you want something like the pic you posted, then here is what I would do to achieve that color pattern. #1 Clean the entire surface to be painted with alcohol. #2 Take a pair of forceps and attach it to the blade by the line tie hole. #3 Heat the blade with a heat gun and apply your first base coat of yellow chartreuse paint on the entire face of the blade #4 Next take chartreuse green, and dust 1/3 or whatever you want painted on the blade. Keep lightly dusting the blade with end pointing down on a hot blade. You will see the powder become chalky, then rough looking and then it will melt and blend into the yellow chartreuse. #5. Next take blaze orange, and dust the other 1/3 of the blade. Keep lightly dusting the blade with the other end pointing down on a hot blade. You will see the same thing happen, the powder becomes chalky, then rough looking and then it will melt and blend into the yellow chartreuse. This will finish it up to this point. #6 Take the forceps off of a cool blade, and lay the blade with the wire tie hole hanging off of the edge of a piece of metal. Now take your heat gun and lightly heat the hole where the paint will now be missing. Take the final color you used, green or orange and sprinkle it on only in the hole area. Heat and apply until the paint blends in with the rest of the matching color. Do not burn the paint as it will bubble and you'll then have to re-do it. Finally when this cools, and you're happy with the results, lay the blade finished side up on a piece of alum. or steel and bake in the oven to cure the paint. This can be done with any color of your choosing. Here are some tips and suggestions #1 If you have never done multi-color powder painting, this takes some practice (ok a lot of practice) to get it right, however once done correctly it is very durable. Your other choice would be to air brush it on with a lacquer paint or a water based paint and clearcoating it. #2 If you want perfect clear cut dividing lines (or separation lines), forget it, it will not happen with powder paint. If the colors are blended properly they will look better than having start and stop lines. The colors should flow into each other like a color transition. This is a very achievable pattern, however it will take some time, patience and trial and error if you have never done this before. You can practice on some clean pieces of aluminum before you work on the blades. This way you won't screw up your blades. My avatar is similarly done to what you are trying to achieve. Good luck and let us know how it goes. I will try to find some links so you can see what I'm talking about and post here. Edited September 22, 2011 by cadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ING Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 Thank you very much! As a former teacher I could tell: you are having a talent to explain things. Everything clear. Only one question: after first coating by yellow, blade start cooling very fast. Is it acceptable for applying second and third colors or I have to reheat blade again before that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 Thank you very much! As a former teacher I could tell: you are having a talent to explain things. Everything clear. Only one question: after first coating by yellow, blade start cooling very fast. Is it acceptable for applying second and third colors or I have to reheat blade again before that? ING, Yes keep your blade heated all the time for best and quickest results. I have a digital heat gun and I can set the heat higher or lower to my liking. On all your 2nd, 3rd and 4th colors etc, turn your heat gun down as to not burn the paint. It may take a little longer for the paint to blend but at least the paint won't burn and bubble. Attached are some blades and jigs I've done in the past for friends and customers. This will give you an idea of what can be done with powder paint. http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg271/cadman58/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ING Posted September 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) Thank you again! Sorry for delayed answer - went fishing. Could I buzzer you with one more question? There are many powder paints on the market with different prices and probably different quality. Pro-Tec Powder Paints for Lures or Jigs http://www.basspro.c.../90051/-1438381 Pro-TecComponent Systems Vinyl Lure and Jig Paint http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_95040_100011001_100000000_100011000?cm_ven=bazaarvoice&cm_cat=PROFILE&cm_pla=&cm_ite=profilereadallreviews Columbia powders - TGIC formulation http://www.columbiac...Color_s/347.htm Eastwood powder-paints http://www.eastwood....der-paints.html And some more companies. Could you recommend some of them? Regards, Ilya Edited September 25, 2011 by ING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 ING, You are correct there are many powders paint companies out there. The ones you listed are all of very good quality. It all comes down to price and how much you are willing to pay and what colors you really need. If you are looking for white, then any of the companies you listed sell white. If you are looking for Red Bug, I know that only CSI component System Inc (Protec) is the only one that has it currently. Columbia coatings makes very good powder paint with a lot of exotic colors. I have sent you a pm with some more info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfish4774 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 cadman, Your paint jobs are unbelievable. I did not know that one could spray the powder paints? What about small spots and is it possible to mix the powder paints to obtain such colors a pale pink or a sand or tan color? What do you think would be the best way to paint, say, 10 or 20 small jigs at once? Or is it possible to detail in these numbers? Anyway, I don't expect to have the same expertise as you but after seeing your work and after initially obsorbing your instruction I cannot resist giving it a try. Thanks for the information.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) wilfish, Thank You for the compliment. Although I know you can spray powder paint, however I do not, but look up some posts or threads from smalljaw. He is amazing at spraying powder paint, and knows all the ins and outs. You can also PM him and he will answer all of your questions. As far as mixing powder, adding spots and painting, here are some more tips. #1 You can mix any 2,3,or 4 powder paints together to achieve a certain color. Several things to remember though. When you do this you will never get a true pigmented color. What this means is if I mix a cup of yellow and a 1/2 cup of blue I will get some shade of green. This green will always be a blend, however it will never be as pure as if you have a powder paint company make you a pigment for that shade of green. With that said nothing wrong with mixing powder just remember to add colors in small quantities, shake vigorously,apply, and cure to see if you like the outcome, then add more to your liking. This is very time consuming, but the final color/s are worth it because only you will have it. Finally as you do all of this write down your color ratios as you add them. This is very important if you decide to duplicate this later. #2 On adding kill spots, gill rakers and other things to jigs. All these are done after final painting and curing. For kill spots and gill rakers, you can use black electrical tape for kill spots. Take a paper punch and punch it out and stick it on. They also make small punches in various sizes at Hobby Lobby or Michaels. On gill rakers, similar process. Take some red electrical tape trace out your pattern and cut with exacto knife. Peel off and then stick on your jig. Once done, you must clearcoat the jig to keep the kill spots and or gill rakers from falling off. #3 You can also make your own decals with your own printer. This is very time consuming but as you saw by my link above the spinnerbaits and the blades came out beautiful. Again after all the decals are on and dry for a day. You must clearcoat it. #4 There are other things you can use as well. Like Spike-It blade dip, ink and an air brush with createx paint. All have to be clearcoated as they will eventually wash off. Now if I were to do 10 to 20 small jigs, I would just dip them in a base coat of the powder paint you want, add on the rest of your colors, bake and be done. There is no fast way of putting on colors like I do. It is all done by hand as there are limitations with applying powder paints. You can do almost anything with an air brush. If you want more info on laying out colors PM me your e-mail and I can show you some more pics and a small instruction sheet on how to do this. Hope this helps. Edited October 29, 2011 by cadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfish4774 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Cadman, thanks, after looking at your jigs I would have thought that they were done with a spray gun. I personally have never used powder paint but I am definitely interested in givining it a try. I guess that I will begin by making one of those beds and go from there. If I can get my efforts to turn out half as good as yours I will be completely satisified. I will let you know when I have finished the bed. Thanks for the response I really do appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...