northsea Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Hi all just started making some of my own spinnerbaits and wondered about the position of the second blade. From what I gather the second blade spins on a different axis from the first. I've found that the second blade spins better when a bend is made on the wire so that both blades are spinning on the same axis plane. I know I've not explained this very well so I've have added a pic to show you what I mean. Is there a particular reason the original design is different? I have a lot to learn about this so any feedback on this greatly appreciated Thanks Chris Spinnerbaits.bmp Spinnerbaits.bmp Spinnerbaits.bmp Spinnerbaits.bmp Spinnerbaits.bmp Spinnerbaits.bmp Spinnerbaits.bmp Spinnerbaits.bmp Spinnerbaits.bmp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Glenn Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Usually, on a retrieve the line of resistance is a straight line from rod through the section of the shaft that the blades spin on. Then the head of the lure hangs below that. I never liked the wire coming straight out of the head of the spinner bait. I always bend the wire up, somewhat, right where it comes out of the head so that the head rides more in line with the section that holds the blades. Back to your original question, they will never spin exactly the same just because of the way they spin. One on a swivel and one rotating around a shaft. You would think that the one on the ball bearing swivel would spin easier, and it usually does, but I have seen some that the shaft blade spins better. As long as they both spin freely, it doesn't seem to matter. The fact that they spin differently probably helps. Musky Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) I hope you get lots of feedback on this one. I have to admit to being confused about this kind of bait. I have read on past threads about the angle of the wires being critical. also the orientation of the cup of the blade. There was also discussion on whether one or both blades are supposed to spin or flutter. I am hoping that someone will set the record straight on all of this. Dave Posted one minute after Musky Glenn's informative reply. Edited September 20, 2011 by Vodkaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 There really is no right or wrong way to position the blades as there are a lot of different variations out in the market place. The idea for the tandem blades is 2 parts, 1 being it adds flash and makes a bigger profile and 2 it adds vibration but as you learned that you can make your second blade spin easier on the same plane as the main or first blade. By making you second blade spin easier you reduced the vibration it puts out because that little bend you put in the wire to place the second blade on, what it did was create a second small wire for the blade to spin on and that small piece of wire isn't very flexible so you have blades spinning on the bend so only a portion of the wire is vibrating because you cut it off from the rest of the bait. Now, the original design has the main blade spinning on a swivel attached to the wire, the blade spinnin freely behind the wire is making drag which pulls the wire back slightly and the second blade is basically rotating around the wire, this not only creates more drag but it also causes torque on the wire and evey time it makes a revolution it makes the wire move or vibrate. What you did was make a bait that has more drag but less vibration, now if you keep the wire straight and leave a small distance bewtween the 1st and 2nd blades you would get a lot of viration because you would have a lot of torque at the end of the wire which would make the whole thing vibrate but that bend isolates the blades away from the botoom half of the wire so you confin the vibration action to a small part of the bait. I hope this makes sense as it is hard to explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint M Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Im with vodka on this one. Nice reply smalljaw. I have wanted to start making them but to be honest im a little overwhelmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Glenn Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Vodkaman, I'm certainly no authority on spinner baits but I do fish them a lot. I make a few for our local Muskie Club as well. I like to fish a spinner bait as slow as possible and still keep both or all blades spinning all the time. Just for me, if the blades don't spin, I won't throw it much, no confidence. I have seen a lot of muskies follow them back to the boat and if a blade stops turning in the figure eight, the muskies usually turn away. My best tactic for bass is a slow steady retrieve and twitch the rod to make the spinner bait skirt flair. Hard to beat a 1/4 oz. for small fish and 1 oz. for Northerns and Muskies. A good musky color in muddy water is all white, blades and skirt. Char/white with double gold willow leaf blades for small fish works good for me. Give one a try and hang on. I really like the spinner baits that the line tie is twisted instead of the "R bend" style. I tend to fish willow leaf blades 90 % of the time. Keep the blades shinny! Honestly you can't fish one wrong, just work with it until you find what works for you, they are a great lure. They come through rock and wood very well. Musky Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkin Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 The head acts as a keel to stabilize the bait. The pic you posted work not run very well IMO? With the low angle of the head and the blades being that far forward in relation to the hook the top half should wobble back and forth. That bait would run decent with a single blade at low speeds but like I said there will be a lot of wobble with two blades. Tricks I learned about spinnerbaits after making 100's of different ones are; To make the bait roll at a lower speed bend the frame out. By this I mean the distance between the hook and swivel. This creates more drag on the bait and allows it to run correctly at a slower retrieve. Bending the other way makes the bait more stable at higher speeds. A single blade will work better at slower retrieves as well because the amount of force required to turn the blade is less due to the tighter rotational axis. I love a good spinnerbait discussion but I have a college paper due so I will post more later. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
