Fish_N_Fool Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 OK so it's now Tues. what happened to your meeting? Did you get any answers to our questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRPLASTICS Posted April 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Sorry for the delay, this guy had a Dr. Appointment and has assured me that we will hokk up tomorrow, I am anxious as you guys are, hopefully by tomorrow evening I will have some answers and pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigZ Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 VENT: I don't think most of the people on this board are worried about having their bait knocked off (MOST) or anyone making a million on them. Certain people are in this for selfish purposes. They need to realize that this board is for sharing ideas, not furthering commercial interests by leeching off the wealth of knowledge that is freely shared here by people who enjoy making their own tackle solely for the enjoyment of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Hey Guys, Let me start off by saying, I know NOTHING about pouring soft plastics. A few weeks ago, a friend gave me some two part mold making material. At the time, I was trying to make a mold of a buzzbait head. The name of the stuff is Pour A mold and Pour A Cast. The mold making material stays fairly soft after curing, but the cast material is very hard and can be cut with a saw, sanded or carved. Not being one to follow the norm, I tried to make a mold of the bait using the casting material and it came out very smoothe and looked good. If any of you would like, I'll be happy to make a mold of a small grub and send it to one of you to see if this material will suite your purpose without having to buy it, not knowing if it would work. Let me know, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRPLASTICS Posted April 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Here are some pictures, these are hard molds, I can chuck one on to the ground and they do not break or chip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRPLASTICS Posted April 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 More pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRPLASTICS Posted April 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Another pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azbass Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 The pics look great! Now we just gotta' learn how to order 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRPLASTICS Posted April 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 I am working on that aspect, I will be teleconfrencing with him tomorrow nite and will post info for review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigZ Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 The links don't work on those 2 posts. When do you thnk 2 part molds will happen? Will they replace CNC molds entirely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Bigz, they will never replace cnc molds. every bait you pour or inject over a cnc mold will be exact in detail and length with no over pour or sides to trim. these molds are pretty much like any molds that you pour over a sample bait.( fiberglass , gel-coat, water puddy, silicon etc.) If you dont have a hard master to pour off of no 2 baits will come out exactly alike. If you dont put the baits down perfectly they will be crooked. the detail will only be as good as the master in any mold that is poured or sprayed in. As far as 2 part molds they will be just like ones made with fiberglass or other resins mismatch will occur. They are some of the nicest molds Ive seen coming from a liquid that you pour/spray over already made baits, making ones out of gel-coat or fiberglass will give you the same results but these wont break when they get dropped. Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper lures Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 his molds seem to have pretty good detail to me and they are unbreakable. They also seem to have a very glossy finish. To me they look as good as cnc quality with out the cnc price. Sorry Del not trying to offend you just giving my first impressions. Also it looks like the baits he has molded all are positioned strait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Reaper, no offence taken. The mold looks real nice, what I am saying that if you dont have a good master the bait wont come out in detail like a cnc mold will. Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 The teleconference was last week. Any way we can get an update on this? I am getting some PM's about the material and I know little about it, other than I'm still waiting on a sample mold from the guy. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 It is sounding a lot like pie in the sky to me. If this is such a great molding mat. why not tell us what it is??? I have found a clear mold making mat. that seems to work very well so far. I like the fact that you can see what the bait looks like while you pour it. I'll post more on this stuff as I find out how well it works over the long run, and I won't be tring to sell you molds made of it. As this forum is about sharing info, not selling products. Sorry if I stepped on any toes but thats my oppinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRPLASTICS Posted May 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 The gentleman is not to sure about the 2 cavity molds, he will be making one of his own soon to see if it is cost effective, he is sure about one thing, the material he has created will not be sold(I already tried to buy some from him), he is only interested in making molds for private parties. Pricing will be based on weight of final molds. He has assured me that the molds he makes are in strict confidence between himself and the customer. Disclaimers can be signed if needed. He will also be opening his wormmolds.com site relatively soon and offer standard type worm molds for those who do not have original masters. He will also make available a perfect master for creating the molds for those who just send in a rubber bait. The patent on his material is not complete yet, so you can see why he might be hesitant to sell the raw product. The glossy finish does not dull out whatsoever, and the cavities are perfectly straight, I should be getting my first 100 molds within a week, now these molds I did not have masters for, I sent him one of each of my silicone molds (because I just want them redone and the oils are completely gone from them). Al you can call me direct if you have any questions, I know you are as serious about your product as I am. Any one can call me at my shop 619-449-7727 7:30am to 2:30pm, leave a message f I cant get to the phone, pouring ya know. Hope all this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeminoleFan Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 SRPLASTICS was the one that turned us on to Calhoun?s Plastic. I remember how excited we were when SR told us about Calhoun?s, cost effective and a very good grade of plastic. SR has been a great help to many of us on this forum. As for selling products? I dont think SR is trying to sell you anything. Just passing on info. Which is greatly appreciated. As for Pie in the Sky? Your Right, That?s your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRPLASTICS Posted May 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Thank you SeminoleFan, you are correct, I am not a salesman, just a manufacturer, I thought keeping these guys posted on some cost savings and better qualtity product would mean something to them. Since this has pissed certain people off, I will be glad to respond to private messages or personal email. Mine is srplastics@cox.net, feel free to inquire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRPLASTICS Posted May 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Just curious, I have been manufacturing for close to 10 years, why would you need to see in the mold, you should be able to master your patterns or colors thru experience. Maybe I am missing something, you sure cant see thru aluminum. I know MF has some clear acrylic molds that they sell, some are really good molds, I have found that over time the heat warps the molds so I never pursued that material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Sr, I dont beleive you pissed anyone off by posting what you did. One thing if the material is harder and comes out cleaner(shineyer) than the present lurecraft/ mf molds it will probally work better for them, as far as the silicon molds well you and I both know anything is better and far less cheaper than silicon. Bottom line like you stated with out a good master it will not work good as far as detail , nothing will ever beat a cnc mold as far as detail and consistancy goes and the exact same for all baits On a 2 piece mold I dont think anyone pouring a mold compound would be able to do it with out some mismatch. Ive tried the gelcoat and fiber glass ones useing marbles and pins and practically anything that would possibly work and the mismatch happends where in a cnc machine they are perfect everytime(if the program is correct) Using this material or anything else is faster then waiting on a custom mold from a machine shop and can be lots cheaper. the quality would be just like all other types of molding compound(except the finish and strength perhaps) Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeminoleFan Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 I agree with you Del. I love the CNC Aluminum molds that you make. I have a few. And you only have to purchase them once, and they are a good investment. As for the Process that SR is talking about I am still interested in maybe having a few bait proto types made. As for the other topic: There are alot of experienced guys on here like Delw, SRPLASTICS, Kidlizard, Alsworms, etc. that are full of information and have been on here since the beginning that have been in this buisness for a while. Some times its better to keep certain comments to yourself and not post just to post which I find alot of the newer guys do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRPLASTICS Posted May 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 I second that, yes, the quality of a cnc is great, I have several, even a 4 piece that Del tried to work on. Simple straight up and down molds are good for cnc, however, if you have a concave or complicated master that has several different angles you will probably need to use another method unless you stagger pin your aluminum molds. I have calmed down now. I let a previous post irritate me to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubeman Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 I agree on the CNC molds... great detail, finish and strength. I have casted many resin type molds and have found that epoxy resins have produced the best results. They too can be dropped and won't chip or crack. I believe Repli Cast out of California makes a good resin product. Nice thing about the epoxy resins is many of them create very little exotherm when setting. I have had great success pinning baits in a large styrofoam meat tray, sprayed with a mold release agent. These resins are as expensive as hi temp silicones. The one thing I can see that this gentleman has got going for him...he can do a great job making a resin mold, that will save novices alot of time and money...and swearing. As for SR, I've only talked to him a couple of times and he's been nothing but helpful...on a sadder note the Toronto Maple Leafs choked tonight ! Oh well there always bass fishing soon !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigZ Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Anyone got a shovel? Getting deep in here. Sorry 'bout the "Leaves" Tubeman. Shark Attack!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubeman Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 That's ok Z, I guess the Sharks are playing golf/bass fishing early this year too....might say they got filleted & fried by the Flames...gooooo Calgary This message is unrelated, but hey...Z had it commin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
