Hard Packing Pourasol

[bribass]

Hey Guys

I need some help!

So i bought some pourasol from Lureworks and this is what the bottom of all my jugs looked like after Shaking the living daylight out of them!!!

Im not familiar with hard packing bc Ive always used MF... How the hell do you stir all of it up?? Like i said this is after i shook the living daylights out of them in 1 gallon jugs.. what would you do with a 5 gallon bucket??

They sent me:

3 - 1 quart bottles

3 - 1 gallon bottles

1 - 2.5 gallon jug

All of them have that at the bottom. and the quarts were the only ones i could get it to go away in

PLEASE HELP

Brian

[Fulldraw84]

I don't know what would be best, But i think if you combine them in a 5 gallon bucket and cut the jugs open to scrape the hard pack out then use a drill powered paint stirrer, it would whip it in.

[alsworms]

That's hardener. Many brands will have this problem. You'll need to do A LOT more than shake those to get it to mix. Honestly, I used an old wooden baseball bat for starters........just to get the chunks broken up.

[Frank]

I agree you need more than just shaking. I use a welding rod folded in half and put in a drill motor. You need to break it up and stir it in. The wire is pretty easy on the plastic jugs too. Dont think you will have to worry about the 5 gallon pails they send my 5s in two 2 1/2 gallon jugs. Nothing like MF at all. Frank

[t-billy]

I bought a paint stirrer with plastic paddles and used my dremmel to trim the paddles so they would fit into the 2.5gal jugs. I couldn't find one that would fit without modification. Now I just scrape the jug bottoms with a stir stick then mix with a drill if they've sat awhile. The whole process takes 5 minutes tops.

[chewy]

I think you are confused frank, that is lureworks mess up top and does not act like mf at all. Looks like a big mess and I would send it back.

That is the PVC falling out to the bottom and good luck with that. Its not worth saving 5-10 bucks to mess with that unless you need a work out.

Edited January 6, 2012 by chewy

[Painter1]

You could put it all in a plastic 5 gallon bucket, snap on the lid and ask your local paint store to shake it for you. Of course you could do that with a 1 gallon paint can also but they can be harder to find in clean condition.

A paint shaker mixes settled material quite well

[Frank]

I think you are confused frank, that is lureworks mess up top and does not act like mf at all. Looks like a big mess and I would send it back.

That is the PVC falling out to the bottom and good luck with that. Its not worth saving 5-10 bucks to mess with that unless you need a work out.

Let me clarify what I ment. I ment the lureworks plastic is nothing like MF. I know it is lureworks stuff because I use it. There is nothing wrong with it and sending it back does no good. It is what it is and you get what you pay for. There are in my opinion two plastics that are real user friendly but they come at a premium price. If you want to save money then you spend more time. Putting it in a 5 gallon pail is ok but when you mix it and do not use it you have to do it again and again. the end pruduct is comparable nut just need a differant way to get there. Some of my customers actually like the feel of this plastic and say it is easier to bag for them. Everything has its place. Sorry if I confused anyone. Frank

[chewy]

Curious how much you guys save it seems not everyone gets the discount or something? So basically how much for a 5 gallon of plastic, Including shipping for you? Thanks

[Frank]

I get there injectasol for 122 at my door. Which is the same price that I can get MF but I have to buy drums to get this price. Now I can have alot of differant compounds for the same price. It is not as easy to use but I just deal with it. I went through 2.5 gallons last night and only had to mix once. Frank

[carolinamike]

Bribass, was that medium, soft or hard? I've never had any trouble with that material incorporating into the plastic, but I always stir. Also, Lowe's and Home Depot sells a paint stirrer that works great for a 5 gallon bucket. The first one I bought lasted 6 years. All you need is a drill. Works very well stirring plastisol.

Chewy, apparently you're not familiar with several different plastisols. You're right, it's different from MF. MF uses a different plasticizer. If you ever saw LC's you would freak out. I've actually scraped the bottom of a 5 gallon bucket full and it be so hard packed that the material actually looked dry. But I used LC for years and never had any problems with it whatsoever. And I'll never fall for the phthalate free gimmick, considering that all flexible plastic wrap and all flexible plastic tubing contains and puts off phthalates. So that meat in the grocery store and that IV bag and that IV tube have me more concerned than a fishing worm. And by the way, PVC won't fall out of the material. The things I like best about Lureworks plastisol, is there's no harsh fumes, and only an average amount of smoke. I think the smell is very good, the curing time and the consistency of the product is another thing that makes it a bargain. And the thing about these guys is they can specially formulate if need be. Unlike some of the other component companies that don't have super knowledgable fellows like Bruce and Don, dang Bruce has probably forgotten more about plastic than I'll ever know, no matter what problem I run into, one of these guys has always been able to help me out and not just about plastisol either, their vast knowledge covers the whole fishing industry. And keep in mind, these guys are manufacturers as well as distributors. You ought to give them a try, yes some people find their product a little more challenging to work with, but I think Frank's got it figured out and so have several others. The secret here is a slower, lower cook time than some of the other plastisols. But if you're using a Lee pot or a Presto pot, you can treat it the same as any other.

Frank, I've had some of the same material at the bottom of the barrel before, you got to remember when I mix a color I usually do it 10 gallons at a time. So sometimes when I finish a run there's only 1 or 2 gallons left in the drum. After it's set a couple of days I have tilted a drum before and that material plus all flake and even some of the coloring pigment will be on the bottom of the drum. It always incorporates well. And you made a good point too Frank, I've let some of my customers feel some of the other plastics and everyone really likes the Lureworks. It's soft and durable.

[BBK]

I had the same problem on my last order. Its like nothing I have ever seen before. I broke it up with a wooden dowel and it still wont mix in. I have about a pound of bolts and lead weights in there and it still wont mix. I shook/stirred/ smacked it for 45 minutes the other day and its still big globs of goo.

Pourasol medium.

[Frank]

Well I guess this is not going the way it should. I am guessng Mike has poured more baits today than most do in a year. So I guess he has poured a few baits and do respect his comments. Everybody has an opinion and that is good. I am open to what ever someone has to say, if it works for me then I will use it. Some dont like to mix but I have found out that if I dont want to mix then it cost me more than 10 dollars. Even at 10 dollars it is worth the ten minutes it takes to mix. Just me I guess but lately I have been pinching pennies more and more. Trying to make it more profitable. Frank

[smallmouthaholic]

. Even at 10 dollars it is worth the ten minutes it takes to mix. Just me I guess but lately I have been pinching pennies more and more. Trying to make it more profitable. Frank

Well spoken-you're not alone w/your philosophy.

[Frank]

If we throw it all out there here this is my life. 4 kids out of the house and being productive adults. Here is the kicker one income and a wife with MS and no one home to help take care of her. Now it is to the point that it take two people to help her. Single income and dropping fast but need to shave pennys where I can. I cant be on a lake some where. I still find the time to stir because that is what I have time. I do get help from people at times but I am it. Frank

[chewy]

I think what were getting at is if you pour 2 1/2 gallons a night its worth mixing for 10 miniutes for 2 mixes x 10 bucks savings.

If you are stiring the same 5 gallon over 1 month, two or three months its really not worth it, say 10 minutes x 15 mixes = $150.00 on top of what we are paying for the 5 gallons. Something like that my head hurts now

[Frank]

Yes you are right but you buy it in 5's to save money. Lure works is priced pretty good if you want a gallon not like some other that price there plastic so you want to buy 5's and let it sit around.Frank

[carolinamike]

Chewy, I did take a little of your advice, I needed to talk to Bruce anyway. So I called up Lureworks. I think Bruce is going to PM Bribass. BBK, Bruce said get in touch with him and he would take care of things for you. Another example of a fine outstanding company who when kept informed are always glad to help out in a situation. Chewy I think you've taken some of this personal, if you bought some Lureworks plastisol and are not happy with it, contact them. You had to contact them to order it and as far as the PVC falling out, the material is a mixture of PVC resins and other chemicals that have settled at the bottom of the product. Some of it is hardener. But to portray plastisols that have settling in the bottom as a bad product is not fair. It seems that you're wanting this to move down the road as a product bashing thread. That is not how things are done on TU, and then to pop off with the personal attack about me making plastic, let's me know you're kind of new to the forum too. I'm the largest soft plastic producer in North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia. All I do for a living is make plastic fishing baits. There's seven barrels of Lureworks plastisol out in the driveway right now and before I was doing it on this scale, I bought LC's plastic by the drum for at least seven years. So I think I have a right to speak with a little bit of authority on this subject. I did not mean anything as a personal attack toward you, my post was an informative post about the two plastisols that have settling. Lureworks plastisol, LC's plastisol has settling and you don't like it. We all understand it, that's the reason these two are not your preference. Some people don't like the smell of MF, some people don't like the costs of the other MF products that are out, some people don't like Calhoun's, that's just the way it goes with plastisol. Please stick to giving us good informative information on what happens with your experiences and why you have concerns, such as Bribass did. This post was not started or I assumed it was not started as a product bashing post, it was started to find out some information about what's happening with this particular plastisol. Granted the pictures could be sent to Lureworks just as easy as they can be put on TU, but Bribass did not word this in a bashing manner whatsoever. He simply stated his concerns, and I'm sure by now that he's already found out some information about his product and he'll be able to post on how well the company took care of his problem. This is what TU's about, helping each other and putting productive posts up that can give good information. I did not mean for you to feel personally attacked, but I do feel like some of your comments were very unnecessary. Keep in mind that the way you do things is not necessarily wrong or right, it's just what you have a personal preference for. Right now, in Frank's situation, money is at the utmost importance. Just like it is with 90% of the country these days. And by the way thanks for putting in the good word Frank, anything I can ever do let me know. And Chewy the same goes for you buddy, if you'll check around you'll see I help anybody I can if possible.

[bribass]

Thank Mike,

Yes i was posting it bc i was unfamiliar with hardpacking and wasnt sure if this was "normal" or a bad thing with the plastic before going to call Bruce over. I have only used MF so I wasnt familiar with plastics that would need extensive mixing. Another reason i didnt call Bruce and asked here first was becuase it was a thursday night (they were closed ) and they are closed on fridays as well so I couldnt call.

So thank you for the responses, and yes mike it is EXACTLY how you described your experience with LC's a while ago... so hard that when you scraped it, it literally felt dry!

Thank you for your help guys

Brian

[carolinamike]

Bribass, yeah that Friday thing does get aggravateful. I seem to always run out of what I need real late Thursday afternoon. I wish I could take Fridays off or maybe Saturdays or possibly Sundays. Bruce will get you straightened out for sure.

Chewy, there again unnecessary comments. No one said they knew what plastic hardener was, why don't you enlighten us. Tell us what you know about plastic hardener, softener, PVC resins and plasticizers. That would be helpful to everyone on the forum. Now as far as your personal attacks go, let's look at your quote, and oh by the way, it was real easy to know who's plastic you were using before you said it. Really looks bad on his company too.

You to guys just got a hard on for what you think is right and everyone else can suck it attitude. I still like to read and learn from most of these post but yours are mostly SOS. Have you ever made the plastics your self or seen how it was done?

First off, I did not say anything negative about anyone's plastisol. So no one said anyone else can suck it. So there again a completely unnecessary comment. Then to personally attack my post, so you've sat down and read all of my posts on TU? Explain to me how this wasn't personal. And then to ask have I ever made plastic, and then to be a smart ass when I answer your question, you wanted to know if I had ever made plastic and seen how it was done, I think I was very informative.

Now you've gone to company bashing instead of product bashing. So what you want people that read TU to believe is it's not possible to get a refund. Is that a fair comment to make? Are you giving correct information? Are you being helpful in your comments? The you guys have a hard on for this stuff let us all know who's plastisol your using. I talked as much about LC's plastic as I did Lureworks. You're not the first one to jump in on this subject, it's just a shame that this is the way Jason promotes his product. It seems like that most of the people that have something to say bad about Lureworks are using Caney Creek, and by the way, I'm not saying anything bad about Jason or his plastisol personally. I am just noticing that it always seems to be his customers that jump in and bad mouth Lureworks plastic anytime they get a chance. Jerry's probably going to lock this one guys. Chewy it seems like you're determined to make this a bashing thread. Maybe Jerry will contact you and explain a little bit on how we like to make productive comments and not bashing comments. If you've tried to get a refund from Lureworks and it didn't work out, let us know. Why don't you start your own thread on how much you like Caney Creek plastic? Some people just can't afford it. And by the way I do use a lot of plastic fast, but being that we run over 200 colors, there's always plastisol left to settle in a drum around here somewhere or another. Some colors don't get used but once or twice a year. So I have just as much settling as anyone else. If I didn't know what I was talking about, I wouldn't have posted. And I take it back, I don't believe I would be willing to help you, because you don't seem to be too helpful yourself.