Ogajiga Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 The one(and only) EL3052 sample I got appeared to have the same soft wire temper as the 570s. Maybe my sample was atypical and hopefully, EC production runs will stiffen the temper like the EL111BP since soft wire 90* Aberdeen jig hooks are already served by the 570 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyGrub Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 The one(and only) EL3052 sample I got appeared to have the same soft wire temper as the 570s. Maybe my sample was atypical and hopefully, EC production runs will stiffen the temper like the EL111BP since soft wire 90* Aberdeen jig hooks are already served by the 570 series. Not encouraging, but maybe others have had better expeirence??? I would have expected that from their EL570BP, but was hoping for a little better in the EL3052. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyGrub Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I also see they have a EL2831 that interests me. Anyone had samples of that? PS: Most of these new hooks can't be found on Eagle Claw's website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I also see they have a EL2831 that interests me. Anyone had samples of that? PS: Most of these new hooks can't be found on Eagle Claw's website. Sorry Fuzzy, I don't have any of those hooks, can't help you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfish4774 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 hawnjigs, you have a bit more on the ball obtaining a "sample" of the eagle claw 570 which imo is eagle claw's closest attempt at Mustad's 32833BLN. I had to purchase a box to find out that these hooks, just are not for me.. I am sure that they will catch fish but I predominately fashion my jigs for myself and I am not interested in using hooks that I feel are not up to my expectations. Personally I don't understand the obstanance of many jig hook makers to simply exactly copy a particularily popular jig hook manufactured by another company. Case in point,, gamakatsu recently started to make a knock off of Mustad's 32833BLN steelhead jig hook. Given gamakatsu's most recent interest in competing with mustad's steelhead jig hooks it seems rather obvious that gamakatsu is interested in being competitive in attempting to comform to what the customers are interested in and are purchasing. I am not a great big jig hook purchaser but in my case I would rather pay a bit more for what I actually desire and will use rather than settling for something less or wasting funds on jig hooks that I will never use regardless of where the hooks are made or who the manufacture is.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 hawnjigs, you have a bit more on the ball obtaining a "sample" of the eagle claw 570 which imo is eagle claw's closest attempt at Mustad's 32833BLN. I had to purchase a box to find out that these hooks, just are not for me.. I am sure that they will catch fish but I predominately fashion my jigs for myself and I am not interested in using hooks that I feel are not up to my expectations. Personally I don't understand the obstanance of many jig hook makers to simply exactly copy a particularily popular jig hook manufactured by another company. Case in point,, gamakatsu recently started to make a knock off of Mustad's 32833BLN steelhead jig hook. Given gamakatsu's most recent interest in competing with mustad's steelhead jig hooks it seems rather obvious that gamakatsu is interested in being competitive in attempting to comform to what the customers are interested in and are purchasing. I am not a great big jig hook purchaser but in my case I would rather pay a bit more for what I actually desire and will use rather than settling for something less or wasting funds on jig hooks that I will never use regardless of where the hooks are made or who the manufacture is.. I look for a hook that is going to perform, one that I can rely on when I have a fish bite that I'm not going to have it get off or worse, have the hook break and that is what has kept me away from the old eagle claw hooks. The new laser sharps I feel are good hooks, I got a good deal on the EL2798 that I took a chance and I got a winner, the same thing with the 11BP. I absolutley hate Gamakatsu jig hooks and I do have some I'll never use them for my personal lures, I lost more fish because of that cutting point tearing a big hole in the mouth of a fish than because of line breaking or any other reason. I love the trebles as they do well holding fish but the jig hooks and spinnerbait hooks just make too big of holes, that is why I like the Mustad ultra points, VMC cone cut needle points and the Eagle Claw lazer sharps. Gamaktsu and Owner are good quality hooks but I don't think they should have a cutting point, I do like the Owner 5304 deep throat jig hook, that is the lone exception as once the hook reaches the bottom of the throat it tends to stay there so the cutting action of the point is out of play. I'll pay for a good hook, not an over hyped hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfish4774 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 smalljaw, although I like a jig mold to pour properly as much as the next jig maker, for better or for worse I am equally concerned in the mold pouring the type of jig hook that I most like or desire. This being the case, I have been lucky in being able to modify or build my molds to pour with the jig hooks that I prefer regardless of a particular mold being specifically designed for the certain jig hook. But then the jigs that I pour could be considered a nich market in that I will never need a hook smaller than a #2 or larger than a 1/0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 "I lost more fish because of that cutting point tearing a big hole in the mouth of a fish than because of line breaking or any other reason" Always wondered about those Owner and Trokar edged points, Thanks for that info. To clarify, as a specialist in small heavy wire jig hook castings, I recall Gamakatsu was the first mfg. to produce a 2x chem sharp forged 90* steelhead jig hook, followed in order(I think) by Matzuo, Owner, and Mustad. Of course the bottom line isn't who knocked off who but whose product offers best performance and value. But Eagle CLaw's new EL hooks looking like direct copies of Ultra Points even with similar model #s is a bit uncomfortable. But its all good, since Mustad quality has gotten unreliable and alternate choices are welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 "I lost more fish because of that cutting point tearing a big hole in the mouth of a fish than because of line breaking or any other reason" Always wondered about those Owner and Trokar edged points, Thanks for that info. To clarify, as a specialist in small heavy wire jig hook castings, I recall Gamakatsu was the first mfg. to produce a 2x chem sharp forged 90* steelhead jig hook, followed in order(I think) by Matzuo, Owner, and Mustad. Of course the bottom line isn't who knocked off who but whose product offers best performance and value. But Eagle CLaw's new EL hooks looking like direct copies of Ultra Points even with similar model #s is a bit uncomfortable. But its all good, since Mustad quality has gotten unreliable and alternate choices are welcome. I'm glad Eagle claw has the EL series to turn to as Mustad quality is falling off but it is disturbing and while I don't mind that they are knock offs they shouldn't advertise it as such. Captain Hooks has them listed as "Comparable to the Mustad 32798" and the same for the others in the series, that is what shouldn't happen, but it does make it easier to know you're getting the right hook. The last thing for me is that these are quality hooks and I feel I'm not sacrificing any performance whatsoever and to be able to say that at the current price is amazing in its own right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyGrub Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 The EL111BP 3/0's arrived today. They will fit a number of my molds. Some will require just a slight touch-up with dremel, where the hook point ends up. Others require spacing (skip a cavity), but happy with doing that. When the 4/0's come in, I'll get some, along with 5/0. I'll probably get some EL2831's to give a try, as well. As a diy guy, I appreciate when hooks are listed as "compatable with". Takes the guess work out of if it will fit a mold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfish4774 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 hawnjigs, are or have you used the VMC 9147? The reason I ask is that I have never used or personally seen any of the VMC small jig hook offerings. If so do you know how they compare to the Mustad 32833? The jigs that you illustrated recently,, if you feel comfortable, what style hooks did you use in those jigs? Personally for my needs I use alot of the Daiichi 4663 hooks these days. I find that in most of my fishing situations these hooks have worked pretty good in my small jig adventures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 VMC 9147 is my sharp & strong micro hook of choice up to #8. Used to like #6s, but the last batch of BN was softer wire than previous, and #4 and up have always been too bendy IMO. 9147 is thin wire, not recommended for salt water except for #8 & smaller micro jigs. VMC 7161 is max heavy wire BN and possibly the best choice for a shorter shank wide gap salt water jig hook in small sizes down to #6. The 60* eye leg allows for forward eye placement in jigs. I was going to try Daiichi years ago, but Blakemore sent me samples with defective temper. Check your message box Wilfish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfish4774 Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Hawnjigs , Yes the reason that I was asking is that I really have not found any suppliers that even sell the vmc jig hooks in the smaller sizes on the net around here. Wow, am I reading your post correctly when you say that you are using #6 jig hooks? That , in my way of thinking is a very small hook. What are you fishing for using that size? I was thinking that my 1/4 ounce jigs utilizing a #2 were rather small and I cannot imagine a #8 jig hook.. Like I said, the Daiichi is not a bad hook, not super strong but stronger than most, however the red/gold finish I like to think will attract the fish that I target better than the black and silver jig hooks and they are not a bad price compared to the gamis and owners. The mustad steelhead hooks are stronger but lack the red/gold finish. I have seen on ebay that there are vmc 9147 jig hooks being offered for $4.50 per 100 but there is another $4.50 in shipping charges. In your experience Is that a fair price for these vmc hooks? It seems that I remember paying somewhere around $20.00 a hundred for the Daiichi jig hooks that I use and roughly the same for the mustad steelhead hooks. vc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 The current VMC hooks website only lists the 60* 7161 BN down to 1/0, but Hagen's offers them down to #2 black and RED in their current catalog. Their website is: www.hagensfish.com If anyone wants a look at the smaller #6, #4, & #2 BN sizes I can send a few. As I recall, Daiichi used to be the only choice for a heavier wire chem sharp small jig hook for steelhead, which is probably why Mustad chose to offer their small size 32833 alternate. Generally, as others have posted, www.capainhookswarehouse.com often has the best prices for jig hooks by the 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macstackleman Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Fella's I see that Eagle Claw also has a new spinnerbait hook to replace the needle point mustad. Has anyone tried it yet? EL253 is the number. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.C.T. LURES Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Hey Cadman, would you be willing to send out a couple samples of those EL111BP?? I'd like to take a look at them prefferably without having to buy 100. I'd be happy to pay for them. If you are still looking for some I have them in 3/0, 4/0, 5/0, & 6/0 Let me know if I can help Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
