wolffisherman Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 THE SOFT PLASTIC I CAN GET IN MY COUNTRY IS NO GOOD FOR MAKING SOFT PLASTIC. WHAT PLASTISOL DO YOU GUYS RECOMEND? SOMEONE TEST THE ALMUNISOL? IS GOOD? SOMEONE TEST THE BEARSBITE ULTRA 2000 SOFT? IS GOOD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Caney Creek sells the best plastic made and he ships overseas. ....Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHK Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Caney Creek sells the best plastic made and he ships overseas. ....Bill purely matter of opinion not fact Bear's bbcp ultra is no longer available and i havent seen to many too many people talk about the alumisol. myself, i perfer Calhoun. time and time again i try the next best plastic everyone is talking about and im still using calhoun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 SHK is absolutely right. A good plastisol is a personal preference only. Start out by asking for samples. Also question each supplier thoroughly on their experience with international shipping. Companies that have been in the industry a long time will be more experienced with the different ways to ship and one might be more economical than the other. The samples may be free but you may have to pay for the shipping. From experience I can tell you that Lureworks makes a very good economical product and are one of the largest plastisol suppliers on the market and have been around for a long time. But some people have had trouble with it and some have not. Also I used Lurecraft for a long time too. It's a very good product. You'll find some settling on the bottom of this product, but it incorporates real easily when stirred well. Just remember to stir it everytime right before you use it. I've also tried MF, there's no settling on the bottom, but I don't particularly care for the fumes that come off of it. A very good ventilation system is a must if you're going to use the MF products that are out there, also they're rather expensive. I've also tried Calhoun's, but it was probably 3 or 4 years ago. It was ok, I didn't particularly like the smell of the finished product and when demolding the baits, they felt sticky. This seemed to go away after curing overnight. This is all the advice I can give from my personal experience. I have used Chemionics but it seemed to me to be basically the same as Calhoun's, as well as Marchem. As you can see at some time or another, I've tried all of them. But keep in mind other people have used these same products without any of the issues that I had. In my opinion, samples and testing would be the best way to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolffisherman Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 thank you very much my friends, i going to see what enterprise can sell me. if you know of someone who ship plastic+ molds to argentina please let me know. thank you, daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayhorse Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 THE SOFT PLASTIC I CAN GET IN MY COUNTRY IS NO GOOD FOR MAKING SOFT PLASTIC. WHAT PLASTISOL DO YOU GUYS RECOMEND? SOMEONE TEST THE ALMUNISOL? IS GOOD? SOMEONE TEST THE BEARSBITE ULTRA 2000 SOFT? IS GOOD? Hi everyone, What country are you talking about? How many plastisol you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finesse13 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 To Carolinamike-When you say ask for samples,do you just ask and they send you some plastic to try ? The reason I ask is because I am also wanting to try some new plastic to pour. I'm curently useing the LureCraft brand now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superharmonix Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I have had real good luck just contacting the companies through their websites and being honest about what I am looking for- samples to try their products to see which one best suits my company. 4 of them sent me samples and even paid the shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finesse13 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Thanks for the info superharmonix,I am gonna try it out and send a few emails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Finesse13, I think about all plastisol companies will send you a sample probably won't be but 4 to 8 oz., just enough to test, although some send more. This is a good way to figure out what material is right for the baits you're looking to produce. Just be sure to say please and thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeapin Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I buy from ccm, but they send only by UPS, it is very expensive. When I asked to send by usps, they say it will be more expensive. They do not want to change anything. I'm looking now for any other supplier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 The guys at Lureworks ship plastisol all over the world and have several different options. Go to Ispikeit.com. Look in the Lureworks section, you can contact them by phone. Dial extension 106 and Bruce will be glad to help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeapin Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 The guys at Lureworks ship plastisol all over the world and have several different options. Go to Ispikeit.com. Look in the Lureworks section, you can contact them by phone. Dial extension 106 and Bruce will be glad to help you. Thank you Carolinamike. I'm looking something like ccm soft plastisol. My customers like the softness and the same time durability of baits made from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 SHK is absolutely right. A good plastisol is a personal preference only. Start out by asking for samples. Also question each supplier thoroughly on their experience with international shipping. Companies that have been in the industry a long time will be more experienced with the different ways to ship and one might be more economical than the other. The samples may be free but you may have to pay for the shipping. From experience I can tell you that Lureworks makes a very good economical product and are one of the largest plastisol suppliers on the market and have been around for a long time. But some people have had trouble with it and some have not. Also I used Lurecraft for a long time too. It's a very good product. You'll find some settling on the bottom of this product, but it incorporates real easily when stirred well. Just remember to stir it everytime right before you use it. I've also tried MF, there's no settling on the bottom, but I don't particularly care for the fumes that come off of it. A very good ventilation system is a must if you're going to use the MF products that are out there, also they're rather expensive. I've also tried Calhoun's, but it was probably 3 or 4 years ago. It was ok, I didn't particularly like the smell of the finished product and when demolding the baits, they felt sticky. This seemed to go away after curing overnight. This is all the advice I can give from my personal experience. I have used Chemionics but it seemed to me to be basically the same as Calhoun's, as well as Marchem. As you can see at some time or another, I've tried all of them. But keep in mind other people have used these same products without any of the issues that I had. In my opinion, samples and testing would be the best way to go. Hey Mike how long has it been since you tried M-F ? Was it about the time there was a shortage? Might try a sample because I personally don't see or smell what your are explaining here compared to LW. I'm sure you have time to get back because you seem to have very good opinions on most products. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Mike, worked up a small comparison based strictly on web-sites 7/16/2013 with very little time invested while tasking a breather. All companies clearly have close prices some may separate, settle or stay suspended or stink. Here are just a few with only 2 names you have mentioned for comparison. Company a m-f $143.00 -5.00 $138.00 company b Your Price: $132.00 Company c Our Price: $136.00 Company d Price: $176.96 shipping included Company e lw Price: $119.00 Price: $72.00 2.5 gallons $144.00 Price: $75.00 again 2.5 gallons think it would be very easy to see prices in very short time Hope this helps a little?Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 So far I've struggled to find anyone cheaper than Caney Creek for international shipping. Bait Junkys has the cheapest plastic I have seen, however they are still working out how to ship internationally cheaply. Everybody else is in the same boat, the best that they seem to be able to offer is 2 1gal jugs in a $70-80 flat rate box. One thing I am toying with, as I have very cheap rates with TNT express, but they won't carry liquids, is having someone "cook" the plastic before shipping, and send it that way, but haven't gone any further than exploring the concept, don't have any idea who to start approaching! Or the last option is buying spues, but that isn't ideal, but still maybe an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Every Company International USPS should be close to the same since its priced by weight, some may add handling fee. If you want to try a sample gallon contact by e-mail M-F and a cheap gallon may be provided shipping on 10lbs is approx. $60.00 to $77.00 flat rate depending on the Country. Some companies may help you and eat some shipping charges to get you started, depends if you connect or have personality and/or communication conflicts .Again just a suggestion, I personally like shipping International for speech therapy,... Jeff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Thanks Jeff, I have a look when I need my next batch, out of interest, I know Kingston Lures in Australia have your plastic (however he sells it by the pint which makes it uneconomical in large amounts), is the US plastic held by U Make Em yours as well? Tried some of that and it was nice, however for obvious reasons they don't disclose whos plastic they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitjunkys Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Never thought about cooking first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipt Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 i'd suggest bait junkys not sure if they will ship outside the country, but i have switched over to them. great plastic and customer service blows everyone away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I'll list my experieces w/ various palstisols 1- Lurecraft- hard packs and has a definite odor 2- Chemionics/Spike-it Pourasol- bubbling problems and poor,long term heat sensitivity for white and pearl colors. Spike -it and chemionics has minimal hard packing. baits can be sticky for a day or two-especially in cold weather I just received a new ,1 gallon sample of Spike-it to test to test for bubbling 3- Calhoun's- poor heat sensitivity,no hard packing but sticky for a day or two 4-MF - Excellent heat sensitivity,no hard packing ,no smell and finished baits are not sticky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipt Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I pretty much 2nd everything that Smallmouth just said. His descriptions are spot on. Don't keep my plastic long enough to test hardpacking haha. The calhouns I got from bears was indeed sticky. However the calhouns I've gotten from private suppliers and even from baitjunkys has had no issue. Can't speak for CCM because they wont send samples (they dont deserve my business) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammingjack Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 1. LC- yep that's about right. I can add it had very few bubbles. I got the green saltwater and it was too hard. Very little action on the bait. So I tried the 60/40 and that was better. But the new bait smell lasted longer then any another I tried. 2. SI- pourasol the plus to it is the best price... That's about it. Bubbles, lot of bubbles. More smoke then the rest and if I can quote my wife, who was standing talking to me when I pulled a cup out of the mico. As she ran back into the house was " that stuff stinks" Yep that's about right. It was their hard and I didn't try any of their other stuff. 3. Calhouns- Never tried it 4. MF- I hope your right about this one. I just order some for the first time a few days ago. Got the 464 which is on sell $40 buck a gallon. 5. CCM- Man when I first got this I love it. What's not to like. This was their hard. Great action for a hard.(maybe the best so far) Very little smoke, very little odor, almost no bubbles at all. Bait come out dry. Heats faster then the others. New bait smell goes away in like a day. But.. it sure is picky about heat. No I don't have a heat gun , never needed it before. Had light colors turn yellow on me like 3x maybe more (hard to tell on dark colors). As you get closer to the end of the bag things get worst. More smell, more smoke. If you shake the bag too much you get bubbles like a head on a beer. It's like you can't mix it well because it's in a bag. If it was in a jug or bucket I would order it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 You need to read the temperature of your plastisol w/ an IR gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 You need to read the temperature of your plastisol w/ an IR gun.I really agree with this statement. How could you compare if you really don't know the temps you heated to. All the plastics I have used are different and require different care. The Spikeit injectasol hard is the only one I could get up to a working consistency and not start to yellow. Don't use much hard though. Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
