carolinamike Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) Mike, worked up a small comparison based strictly on web-sites 7/16/2013 with very little time invested while tasking a breather. All companies clearly have close prices some may separate, settle or stay suspended or stink. Here are just a few with only 2 names you have mentioned for comparison. Jeff, I did not give a price comparison and what websites are you saying that I based this on? My comparisons were based strictly on use of product, and all the products that I named, including M-F, I used 10 gallons or more of each of the companies named. So it was more than just a small comparison and there was a large amount of time invested in the use of each. I'm just not exactly sure what you're sayng here. I gave a comparison from my personal experience, nothing more, nothing less. And by far, I wasn't trying to offend you, and besides, that was back in January of 2012. So it's been close to 2 years since I've tried your product and there was no shortages at that time. It was the hard plastic that I tried, have you changed your formula? As far as prices go, I do my price comparison by the pound. This gives me a more true cost analysis. As far as shipping plastisol goes, Lureworks is in the position to offer more shipping options and better prices than other folks, based on strictly on the volume of product they ship per day. Calhoun's for instance, shipping is more expensive per drum than Lureworks and Calhoun's drums weigh less than Lureworks. Lureworks drums weigh 440 lbs, Calhoun's weighs 400 lbs and Calhoun's is closer to me than Lureworks. Almost all the large scale injectors, such as Berkley, buy their plastisol from Color Technologies, which is Lureworks. They ship such large volumes of plastic, it gives them better shipping rates. Again, everything I've said here is from personal experience. I'm not trying to be on anyone's side, just trying to be helpful to someone. Sorry if it offended you. Edited July 18, 2013 by carolinamike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitjunkys Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Shipping comes down to how hard you wanna save money. You can shop it around and be right inline with anyone else. It also comes down to if you markup the shipping or not. I don't believe lureworks does. And I believe that is why they are less expensive. I can compete with anyone out there on shipping, I get excellent rates on ups shipments. And I pass it along to the customer. And I'm certain I can compete on barrels all day long with anyone on freight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfrog Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 I've been following Baitjunkys pretty close . These guys are bust'in a$$ to meet the need . If they can keep it up from now on might just swim, to the top of the food chain . That's not something easily done . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Shipping is something that most say they can't control. Two company's that I use only charge me what it actually cost and I really love that. They are Spikeit and MF. After the order is shipped I get an invoice with the actual costs. MFs drum shipping is the lowest I have seen with a FedEx lift gate truck but that is only half way across the country. Spikeit always seem to shop for me and find the best price from coast to coast (thanks to Amy). I try and not use the company's that think shipping is a profit center. I know it is easier but when it is not in there favor they always seem to make time to charge me the difference but won't take the time to credit me when it is not. Shipping cuts 100% into my profit and I like to keep it down. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Baitjunkys, for comparison's sake, what would be the shipping on 2 drums of plastisol, what would be the weight and shipping would have to include a truck with a lift gate. The zip code is 28150. Frank, you hit the nail on the head. Shipping eats into to any company's profits. And the two companies you named are very fair when it comes to shipping. My stuff comes by 18 wheeler with a lift gate, but whether I buy six drums or ten drums, the shipping costs me the same. So it's not always done by weight. And if buy over ten drums, then I save a little bit more on the shipping. I learned early on in the business about the price of shipping when it comes to profit. That's the reason we also charge only the actual shipping price and we prefer our customers to have their own UPS numbers or FedEx numbers, that way we don't do have to do any billing for shipping. The weight of plastic is extremely heavy and sometimes the shipping costs more than the actual product (for example when we sell runners for remelts), especially when using UPS or FedEx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitjunkys Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Ill have to do some research. I will get back to you on it tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitjunkys Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Thanks. Im gonna research it because Im not gonna nail you with the first quote I get being Lazy hoping you would pay. And I know your just wanting a reference, But from me to you. Id deliver it myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy1976 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Baitjunkys, for comparison's sake, what would be the shipping on 2 drums of plastisol, what would be the weight and shipping would have to include a truck with a lift gate. The zip code is 28150. Frank, you hit the nail on the head. Shipping eats into to any company's profits. And the two companies you named are very fair when it comes to shipping. My stuff comes by 18 wheeler with a lift gate, but whether I buy six drums or ten drums, the shipping costs me the same. So it's not always done by weight. And if buy over ten drums, then I save a little bit more on the shipping. I learned early on in the business about the price of shipping when it comes to profit. That's the reason we also charge only the actual shipping price and we prefer our customers to have their own UPS numbers or FedEx numbers, that way we don't do have to do any billing for shipping. The weight of plastic is extremely heavy and sometimes the shipping costs more than the actual product (for example when we sell runners for remelts), especially when using UPS or FedEx. Just curious but are the large flat rate boxes not cost effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy1976 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Im gonna research it because Im not gonna nail you with the first quote I get being Lazy hoping you would pay. And I know your just wanting a reference, But from me to you. Id deliver it myself. I tried to message you. Could I get a quote per drum to CA 93306 please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitjunkys Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Just curious but are the large flat rate boxes not cost effective? They are until it doesn't get to you for 10 days, or it gets damaged. Its on a case by case basis really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 They are until it doesn't get to you for 10 days, or it gets damaged. Its on a case by case basis really. Do you mean there's no free lunch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy1976 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 They are until it doesn't get to you for 10 days, or it gets damaged. Its on a case by case basis really.[/quotSorry that comment was to Mike regarding shipping his plastic seconds and baits he sends out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitjunkys Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 They are until it doesn't get to you for 10 days, or it gets damaged. Its on a case by case basis really.[/quotSorry that comment was to Mike regarding shipping his plastic seconds and baits he sends out. Got ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Andy, it probably is the most cost effective but baitjunkys pretty well hit the nail on the head. UPS and FedEx are usually 3 to 4 days at the most anywhere in the US. Most of the time from NC to Texas it's only 3 days. From NC to GA is one. The problem with the flat rate boxes is you send them out, customer hasn't received their product in 2 weeks and they tend to get upset, and believe it or not, the damage to the box can be more than UPS or FedEx. By far I'm not saying this is a standard, but once or twice can make you real wary of using flat rate boxes especially when they're supposed to be priority mail which is only supposed to take 2-3 days, and the customer doesn't get their product and you go to the PO and ask about it and the Postal worker replies "Oh that's not a guarantee". But a lot of times, when someone's ordering several different colors of runners for instance, by the time you use 2 or 3 flat rate boxes, you can use one large box and UPS becomes the more economical way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I am on the side of Andy he is in a town near me and it does take longer than what is being quoted. We are talking coast to coast pretty much. Ups takes more than 5 days to get here which means order on Monday and it gets here the next Tuesday. Fed ex is pretty much the same. But with USPS it is at my door by Thursday. I am not saying they don't loose things but when I ship with them I use the online store and ck track packages. It lets me know where my package is every time it gets scanned. I never have to go out to the post office as they will pick it up from my house. I send a lot of 60 to 70 lb boxes but it only goes to a town two hours from me and that is cheaper because of the size. Trucking from coast to coast takes about 5 days and most of them drive on weekends so an order shipped at the end of the week still gets there early the next week. I choose to pick up my order at the dock as most of those are open long hours and will give me a hand loading drums and such. I bring some of my local dock workers some of my baits for thence believe me they remember you. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Frank, if you dont mind me asking, what are the measurements on the largest flat rate box and what is the most weight you can get in one? The last time I picked up the largest boxes they had at the post office, 20-25 pounds is the most I could get in them, granted this was about two years ago. My drums come to my driveway by truck and lift gate. My drums usually weigh around 3000 pounds all together so I really dont think it would be that safe hauling them on my pick up truck. You are definatly right about people getting to know you and being helpful, we ship UPS late in the afternoon after the trucks have run, so we always take our boxes to the terminal, they've got to know us well there so there are several guys that always come out to the truck and help us unload and when the truck drivers come to the house I always slip them a free grocery bag of baits every now and again and if I'm not at home they grab my all-terrain pallet jacks and leave my drums sitting outside of the gate to my shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy1976 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Well I ship mostly lead and deliver my plastics in person. I have to say I've only had one problem with delivery and my customer basically said I was a liar. My fault for not doing tracking. I resent the order and. it went to a house 5 miles away. Luckily the person delivered the second package. The customer called and apologized. Guess he had a bad mailman. Generally though my flat rate packages arrive quickly and it saves a ton on shipping. I have had ups destroy nearly everything deliver. Bought two pots from bear and they ruined both. I caught the guy throwing them at the door and chewed him out big time. Bear ate it and sent two new pots the next day and was super helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitjunkys Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I think all shipping methods have there problems. I have had them with ups and usps. I have found ups to be more helpful when I do have a problem. I use both, It just depends on the value, and what I am shipping. I have really been benefiting from the regional A, B and C boxes lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Frank, if you dont mind me asking, what are the measurements on the largest flat rate box and what is the most weight you can get in one? The last time I picked up the largest boxes they had at the post office, 20-25 pounds is the most I could get in them, granted this was about two years ago. My drums come to my driveway by truck and lift gate. My drums usually weigh around 3000 pounds all together so I really dont think it would be that safe hauling them on my pick up truck. You are definatly right about people getting to know you and being helpful, we ship UPS late in the afternoon after the trucks have run, so we always take our boxes to the terminal, they've got to know us well there so there are several guys that always come out to the truck and help us unload and when the truck drivers come to the house I always slip them a free grocery bag of baits every now and again and if I'm not at home they grab my all-terrain pallet jacks and leave my drums sitting outside of the gate to my shop. I believe the large one is 5x12x12 and can be 70 pounds. I think 70 pounds is on all of the flat rate boxes. They do have regional boxes that go more by where they are going. Basically bigger dimensions but less weight. The farther it goes the more it costs. I can get 25lbs of plastic in a large flat rate box for under 16 dollars anywhere in the us. By the way if others don't know the weight for wet plastic is about the same for cured stuff. So 25 pounds of plastic is about 2.5 gallons and that does fit in a flat rate box with the right container. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
