ProP-JunKie Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Caney Creek seems to have a good price on plastic. Any one have reason not to buy from them. I mean is it quality plastic? thanks -Dayv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superharmonix Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Caney Creek Molds is a top notch company, and the Barnes family go out of their way to provide the best possible service. Everything is done with truly the customer in mind first, and with the utmost amount of honest and humbleness. You will not be disappointed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Caney Creek plastic and M-F's plastic are the most expensive on the market. If you calculate their gallons per lb Caney Creek comes out to $7.00 per lb and M-F is over $8.00 per lb. The price per lb magically cuts in half when you buy 5 gallons, are gallon jugs that expensive? From what I understand they have excellent customer service and everyone that can afford it seems to like their plastic. There's other companies out there that are selling their plastic for a little over $2 per lb and since this was started about Caney Creek's plastic I won't name any names. I'm not a product basher but in this economy, I'm definitely a price basher. None of the other companies magically cut their price in half per lb when you buy 5 gallons, but to charge $3 or $4 per lb not per gallon but per lb and there's 8 lbs in a gallon, just to repackage the plastisol, in today's economy really how do you justify it? If that much of a price break can be given per lb on a 5 gallon bucket, I don't know to me it just doesn't seem right. To be truthful I've not used Caney Creek plastic, I have used M-F's and everybody else's out on the market, this is just my personal opinion as far as what I think about the pricing. If I was you, I'd look at all the plastisols that are offered, there are several out there that are more economical. Check around on prices, there's 8 lbs to a gallon, 40lbs to a 5 gallon bucket to know what you're getting, you need to calculate everyone's plastic by the price per lb. This will give you an idea on how you stand pricewise. And I've not heard anything negative about Caney Creek's plastic. It just depends whether or not your pockets are deep enough to afford this plastic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProP-JunKie Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 awessome good info thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryanmc Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Mike... Did you include in your calculations of price per pound that Caney Creek's price includes shipping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBehr Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 The quality of the Caney Creek plastic is excellent. My time is worth a lot more than a few dollars per lb. I've tried just about all the plastics...but I've locked into Caney Creek due to performance. I make baits for myself and my buddies...so a few pennies per bait doesn't really matter to me (heck I give away most of the baits anyway!). I suspect the main difference in price per gallon is in the shipping...since CCM plastic includes shipping in the price. With the USPS's "if it fit's it ships" program it's the size...not the weight that matters...therefore its' the same cost (I suspect) to ship 1 gallon as it it is to ship a full box. Customer service at CCM can't be beat ....and the product quality of everything I have purchased there is excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormorant Lures Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I'll put it as simple as possible... These are only my personal opinions and experiences so take them for as little or as much as you wish... Caney Creek's plastics has: little smell, no microbubble problems, no hard packing, nice packaging, and is very user friendly... I have tried Calhouns (which was early on in my pouring days) but I do not think I had to many problems with it... If I remember correctly it did microbubble in the microwave though... I have tried MF which is very comparable to Caney Creek but the smell almost drove me out of my workshop... Otherwise, MF was an excellent plastic to work with... I then switched to Caney Creek and have been with them ever since!!! I would love to try the other "not named" companies plastics not listed in my post, but to me from everything I have read on this forum, they just don't seem as user friendly... So I spend my money on plastic that works for me... No company bashing, just letting you know that I think Caney Creek has their act together when it comes to a great plastic... Cormorant Lures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superharmonix Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 This is for those who sell baits: Cost is of course important, and I have already stated my opinion on how high quality both Caney Creek Crystal Clear Plastisol is, as well as the company. In my opinion, which is something I will not falter on, if you pay more up front to deliver an excellent quality (read value) to your customers you will benefit in the end all day. So you have to ask yourself, "what is cost?", and "at what cost am I willing to compromise for my clients?" The bottom line is, if you are making and selling baits there is a fine line between having a "business", and having a "craft". Delivery to your customers and what they see on the end of their line as well as when talking to you on the phone, email etc., is where that honed craft shows up vs. "running a business". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Caney Creek seems to have a good price on plastic. Any one have reason not to buy from them. I mean is it quality plastic? thanks -Dayv Tell me what I said that wasn't true any of you. M-F and Caney Creek are the highest priced plastisols on the market that are available to the hand pour folks right now. I divided the cost of the plastic by 8 for a gallon and by 40 for 5 gallons. You can't argue with the numbers. LC - they charge $4.26 difference to put it in a one gallon container. Lureworks charges $0.53. And Chewy is right with his calculations but M-F charges you $5.26 to put it in a different container. Calhoun's - Bear charges $0.95 and Caney Creek charges $2.45 and they do have free shipping. And all I said was that I find that cutting the cost in half per lb is not right. All it is is a tactic to make you buy more of their product. I suggest to anyone that's new to plastics not to buy any of these, but instead call these companies, ask for samples, you may have to pay shipping for the samples but that's to be expected and then form your own opinion about what you like and what you feel like is most cost efficient for you and then let us all know your results. This will be helpful informative information. PropJunkie did say the price seemed to be good, I see nothing wrong with letting him know that there is other plastic out there priced cheaper. And I see nothing wrong with giving him a head's up on some of the tricks used to push product. DaBehr, your post was great and was very informative and you directly answered the question. Chewy you're absolutely right. If I did retail business you wouldn't have a snowball's chance, but of course if you bought as much plastic as I do you would be getting a good price too, and also if you had the equipment I have. I do not produce product for retail, I produce other companies products which are sold all over the world. Chewy you and a couple of others are real quick to badmouth any other plastic besides Caney Creek. Now let's be realistic here. Caney Creek has only been in business a few months, you don't suggest to anyone to try other plastic, apparently you've tried them all, but you don't talk much about the results of all of them. But yet several people keep coming on here and making the unfair statement that Caney Creeks plastic is better than everyone elses. When it's all personal preference. My post named the two highest priced plastics. These are all posted prices. It's not heresay or opinions, it's the prices that are posted on the websites. To some of you wealthier individuals, price does not matter, but to the average Joe, and especially to a person that is just starting out, I never see you suggest that he get samples from everybody and test it for himself. All I posted about was pricing and of course you're back to product bashing again. We all understand that you're a Caney Creek supporter. But informative helpful information is what this forum is about and people should understand about the prices of plastic as well as about the performance of plastic and should be given an opportunity with the correct information to choose for themselves. I never did mention one company, I mentioned two, I said nothing about the performance again. For you to call other people's products off spec products that settle like shit is again you saying that there's something wrong with these products that people have been using a whole lot longer than Caney Creek has been in business. I have nothing against you. You said give every company a chance to sell product, why don't you practice what you preach? Cormorant, your post was also right on target, you've tried other plastics, you didn't like them and Caney Creek suits your purpose. Again another informative helpful post. Superharmonix, when you PM'd me two nights ago, it was all about the price of plastic per lb, now it seems as though that doesn't matter. You know guys I've seen things like this come up on this forum so many times. A couple of years back some of the old timers were saying Calhoun's was the very best plastic until Dave Alexander (Bear's Baits) started selling Calhoun's. Several people loved another plastic that was sold under a different name and oh it was the best plastic around, when Lureworks cut out the middleman and started selling it for themselves, then there's something wrong with Lureworks plastic. For the ones that's been on here awhile, we see this stuff come and go guys. It just goes to show that it's personal preference. TU has always been a great place to have discussions about different types of plastisol until CCM opened up their business. It seems like the person that's always coming on and badmouthing a plastisol since they've been in business, is always a CCM customer. An inexperienced guy made a statement and asked a question, I tried to be informative and helpful. I'm sorry that some of you don't feel like that the difference in prices of product is as informative as performance. TU's the place to talk about what you like and dislike and why, not to target people personally or to constantly target one company personally. There was nothing wrong with saying what the two most expensive plastics on the market are when it is the facts, and there were several comments made on this thread that were unnecessary, but of course that's just an example of inexperience. I think it would be good for all new people to go back as far as they can and read about all the plastics that are available. Look through the archives and see how many times people change their minds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superharmonix Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) I hesitate and don't even know why I am posting this but Mike- my comment was not directed at you, I was simply stating a fact since I have used quite a few different brands of plastisol, and can rightfully compare, and am extremely happy with Caney Creek- not just the end product but the very thing so lacking today-bed side manner(customer service)! When I talk about what cost means, and how much people are willing to compromise cheaper cost for more customer impact, it just makes me ill. I was stating a fact about MY BUSINESS- I will not compromise my customers' earned expectations to save a few bucks. ...or even to save A LOT of bucks. PERIOD. There is no need to even try to save money if you turn away your clientele. That is a statement. Since you mentioned it- you are right- you and I PM'd the other day about plastic prices and we were talking about price per pound. That factor becomes MUCH MORE important when you are talking about selling runners. That plastic has already been heated, colored, salted, etc. You are comparing apples to oranges here. This thread is about Caney Creek Crystal Clear plastisol, not Carolina Mike. You said yourself you haven't even tried Caney Creek Crystal Clear, so why don't you call Jason and ask for a sample? Then, you can compare all the brands you have tried and post an honest and constructive comparison. That is what this needs to be about and that would actually be a helpful and valuable contribution to make to this particular community. Edited January 28, 2012 by superharmonix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermodebaits Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I have used only a couple of plastisols including Caney Creek, Polyone, Chemionics and Lureworks. The one that has worked best for me is Caney Creek. I also liked the Polyone from Del as well but it is not available. As for now, as long as Caney Creek is around, it is my plastisol of choice. Caney Creek also has superior customer service. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Just had to add .02 cents worth. One thing to remember in this Plastisol Biz ... if you get a container that has been drawn from a 55 gal drum and for some reason was not mixed correctly you will not get the results you were looking for ... As hard as the "Re Distributers" try they can make a mistake (we all do that) ... And it may have come from the "Compounder" in not the normal mix ... I have see this happen ... I think this is why we see so many different results by users ..... Mixing every drop of it is very important for it to be consistent ..... Don't be to quick to "Down" a product with out considering this factor ... what seems to be the best today maybe the worse next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Superharmonix, one of your posts was directed towards the people that sell plastic and you said cost was important. A gentleman came on TU and said that one of the highest priced plastisols on the market was a good price, which there are better prices out there. I think you guys just got upset because I just told him what the prices were. I never even mentioned my runners for sale, so how was this thread about me? In your PM to me the other night, you told me that flake, coloring and salt were fillers to make the plastic weigh more, you also said and I quote you "I wish I could get $1.50 per lb for my scrap". In your PM it was nothing but about the price of plastic per lb. You had no problem criticizing my prices, but when I do the same thing, you have a problem with it. I don't get you at all, what are all these bad experiences you've had with all these other companies customer service and why is Caney Creek's better? Since you've used so much plastic and you've had these bad experiences why don't you share them with us? There again, you want people to believe that a company that has only been in business a few months has better customer service than anyone else out there. Much better customer service than all these companies that have been in business for years and years. No, I don't think so, they wouldn't have been in business for years and years if they had poor customer service. And as far as the samples go this is where you start comparing apples to oranges. We don't ask for samples. Companies automatically deliver us samples without asking. Oh and by the way a sample for us is 5 gallons. For the amount of plastic that we use, we've always got companies tryng to get us to switch over, we've even had one that hand delivered the sample and then came back while we run a few thousand baits to test it. We use as much plastic as a lot of the redistributors use. We average 5-10 drums a month. The normal samples sent out by everyone wouldn't even start the plumbing up on my machines. Now if Jason wants to send me 5 gallons of that white gold, I'll be more than glad to test it and give my opinion. You guys are just trying to flood TU. Everytime any other plastisol is mentioned one of you guys are quick to jump in and badmouth it. A couple of times it's happened with people just looking at pictures and not ever actually using the product. Let me ask you this, if I did get a sample from Jason, and it just happened to be an accidentally bad mix and something happened and it accidentally was not quite what it should have been, do you think I should get on TU and tell what a sorry product it was without giving this so called great customer service of Caney Creek a chance to take up for themselves? I've never heard any of you guys that are real active on the Caney Creek forum suggest to a member on TU that they contact the company about the plastic. You guys just jump on here and start badmouthing it and if you go back and read some of the posts on Caney Creek's forum (not yours but a couple of others), you find out some of these experts have only been pouring plastic for about six months, and Jason's not been in business much longer than that. Like I've said and I stand by it man, you PM'd me the other night criticizing my product and pricing, you've just shown me that you're one sided and you have no concern for the new people starting out at TU. The only one that I've heard of having poor customer service is mold makers. I've never once read a post on TU where someone had trouble with plastisol or had a concern about plastisol that when they contacted the company they received it from did not get a quick response. Caney Creek is not the only one with great customer service. Lureworks, Lurecraft, M-F, Bear's Baits all have superb customer service, just as good as Caney Creek. I notice none of you guys ever make this statement either. Again there is nothing wrong with letting the gentleman know that what he thought was a good price was not. And this was not about carolinamike it was about Caney Creek plastic, one of the highest priced plastisols on the market. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajan Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 This thread looks like others I have seen in de' past, where (no names will be said) have tried to do self promotion for their products. Either by said person or their right hand flunky. But I agree with what Mike was saying about how when a person starts selling a product quality seems to change over nite for certain individuals I guess I missed something too, seems my lure cavities are by volume not weight, so why would I compare price of plastisol by weight? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfrog Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Anybody that wants to ship me free there left over plastic please do . I don't care if it stinks . My dog sleeps in the house . Its a BIG dog . If I can survive a dog fart . I can stand most anything . LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Always amazes me.... My advice is to spend the money and test the products you are interested in yourself. As mentioned when a person starts selling a product quality seems to change over night for certain individuals. I have seen it for those in about every "camp" when it comes to guys selling plastics. The get a gallon of the product and upon first pouring they are telling you "how it is". Two weeks later and a higher ranking dog on the porch says it isn't all it is cracked up to be and they all fall in line behind. The product moves to different seller and the cycle repeats. It is the reason why I usually test everything myself if really interested. Does it cost me a little money, sure but it all resells very easy with little loss of price. You can test a few batches of plastic and sell it the next day for a very minor hit, molds the same way, etc... so you end up loosing 5 dollars.... well worth it. Price per unit with respect to quantity is what consumers have always responded to and business have catered, plain and simple whether you want to look at it price per lb, gallon, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHK Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 This thread looks like others I have seen in de' past, where (no names will be said) have tried to do self promotion for their products. Either by said person or their right hand flunky. But I agree with what Mike was saying about how when a person starts selling a product quality seems to change over nite for certain individuals This is the exact reason why i have not spent a cent of my hard earned money with them, I dont want to associate myself with someone willing to shadily self promote their product "anonymously". there are 2 of our "suppliers" that i have seen do this here and i refuse to buy from either. this is something i have not seen Bear, Bass Tackle, Lure Craft or LureWorks do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Hey Kajan, you haven't posted in awhile, hope you're doing alright. The reason I mentioned price by the lb is because outside the hand pour market, all plastisol and components to make plastisol are sold by the lb. If I order two drums of plastic when they repeat my order back to me, they'll tell me I've ordered 880 lbs of plastic instead of two drums. Pretty well the whole industry is based on the price per lb. Matter of fact, that's one of the factors we have to consider in pricing our customer's baits. All of your real big injectors that order anywhere from 20-100 drums call around to find out who has the best price per lb before placing an order. I think that's one reason sometimes mass produced baits can be different from bag to bag. That's some of the reasons for figuring the price per lb. Also it lets you see that some companies charge up to $5 or more per lb to put it into a smaller container that costs less and the shipping is less too. When you take away the cost of the container and the shipping, all you have left is the price of the product. I just think it's nice that anyone new to this hobby understands the cost completely. And me and you both know that no matter who's plastic you're using, just playing around can get expensive. Heck, when I first started out, I think the first 10 gallons of plastic that I used I probably gave all of my baits away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 All great posts and all have good points. I will say this plastic to me is the easiest to use and very forgiving for a novice. I really like a NEW guy to come up with a new idea for packaging and delivery. He has a bag in a box that is easy to mix and dispence. The 2 1/2 gallon bag fits in a priority box from usps. If others would do this the settling of the product would be easy to mix in without air being introduced. Can you imagine the space the jugs take up for everyone else. You may not think it is much but someone has to pay for the space it takes to store them. You will get it in a couple of days at most. That is why he can offer it shipping inc. Fresh ideas and an idea on easy to use makes for the start of a great product. He is not a reseller he makes it for himself. Drums are not in his plans for now but maybe in the near future. Can I use it on all of my baits NO but I can on some. For someone to use it for a first time it would set the bar pretty high when you start wanting to save money. If you look at the price increase for one bait it is not much mostly pennies. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navarre66 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 @Frank, I was wondering which baits caney creek does not work well with pouring I'am in the process of switching from lc to caney creek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 @Frank, I was wondering which baits caney creek does not work well with pouring I'am in the process of switching from lc to caney creek. What I ment is if I have a customer that has me backed into a price structure that doe not allow me to use a product in that price range. I will use a lower priced plastic. Not saying it will give me a better bait just easier to use and not worry about it turning yellow to soon.I really like the plastic for my swim baits but dont even offer them to customers that are competing with others in a certain price bracket. Really like MF too but it too is in that same bracket. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Frank I like your post. You are one guy that truly speaks from actual experience seeing as how this post was started by a new guy that seems to be just starting out. When backed into a price structure what more economically priced product do you use that's easier to use and you don't have to worry about it yellowing too soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajan Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Yep , doin purdy good Mike. Yea I post now and then. Try to not fall to far behind in this fast lane LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-billy Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I recently bought a quart of CC plastic to try. It is a great product but,like most high quality products it's not cheap. Before buying a larger quantity I'm gonna give Lureworks pourasol a try. I cook on a hotplate or presto pot so I don't expect to have the bubble problems some of the microwave guys have had with it. Pourasol is about $10 a gallon cheaper than CC delivered for me. I don't mind mixing a little as long as I'm happy with the way it pours/shoots and I like the end result. The service you recive at CC is first rate but, the same goes for Bear,Lurecraft,and MF in my experience. When I first started pouring I made a lot of baits that never got used. There's definitely a learning curve. It's easy to add WAAYYY to much glitter for example. Try to add a little more flouresent pink after the plastics already hot and you'll end up with peach colored baits etc.etc. I think what it comes down to especially for the beginer is Do I wan't to buy a higher priced product that's very easy to work with,or something more economical that takes a little more work but will still produce quality baits for me? I like several others here would advise anyone to buy a small amount of several different products. Try them for yourself and see what works for you. I really liked chemionics when I got a good batch,but there seemed to be some qc problems with it. Either at the factory or the distributor. The factory is only 40 min from my house and I believe they sell quantities as small as 5 gal, but due to recieving a couple batches that were lacking hardner and wouldn't cure right until I added some I'm looking elsewhere for a new plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Pourasol is about $10 a gallon cheaper than CC delivered for me. I don't mind mixing a little as long as I'm happy with the way it pours/shoots and I like the end result.n I fir Not sure why there seems to be such little difference in your price comparisons but I'm in Pa. so a 5 gallon pale of Pourasol is $120.00 deievered and Caney Creek is $176.00 That's $24.00 per gallon vs. $35.20 per gallon respectively which comes to a difference of $56.25 per 5 gallons. That's a considerable difference . My choice is obvious w/ the change going towards precision CNC injection molds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
