MonteSS Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) So, LC watermellon straight from the bottle is an ugly bight green. Anything I can add to it to make it more like the more typical Zoom watermellon? Or should I get another brand? Thanks....Bill Edited March 31, 2012 by MonteSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHK Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 try kudzu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 I had some Caney Creek Watermellon/Brown that I added a few drops of LC Watermellon to and it looks pretty good. I also have some Caney Watermellon/Black that I didnt try yet. Thanks...Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHK Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 ccm colours is all repackaged M-F for now try kudzu, it should get you very close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass-Boys Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 whos lizzard mold is that ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHK Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 that looks to be a zoom lizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Thanks SHK. I have Kudzu and will try that. Ya the new Caney Creek x2 colorants look promising. And Yes the lizard pic is from Zooms site. Looks just like the Bears ones I sold. ....Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Add a couple of drops of green pumpkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largehead Louie Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Monte, Check your IM's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 6oz plastic, 10 drops lurecraft MOTOR OIL. That is my standard WATERMELON recipe, makes a great color. It does brown up a bit when you add red flake though, so if I am doing watermelon red I do 8 drops motor oil and 2 drops lc watermelon. If I am doing watermelon seed or watermelon gold I do the 10 drops motor oil in 6oz. LC watermelon is way off, I dont even use it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHK Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 lets see some pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnybassman Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 I found the LC watermelon to be very ugly as well. I feel straight LC green pumpkin is more watermelon and to make a green pumpkin I like I have to add 4 drops of LC pumpkin to 20 drops of green pumpkin. (4 oz plastic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) Lureworks has a couple of good watermelon colorings, watermelon 500 and watermelon 600. Watermelon 600 has a little bit more yellow tint than the watermelon 500. If you put just a smidge of black with watermelon 500 you can match Zoom's dead on. Caney Creek is having to phase out their MF coloring. MF has dropped them. I know the new colors that Jason's putting out aren't broken down quite as much as some of the others. As long as they don't bleed, they should do pretty good, but they're probably not pthalate free. I hope it works out for him. Edited April 1, 2012 by carolinamike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted April 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) Here is 8 oz Calhouns with 40 drops CC Watermelon Brown and 4 drops of LC Watermelon. It is pretty transparent. Probably would have matched the Zooms (browner) Watermellon with out the LC added. ....Bill Edited April 1, 2012 by MonteSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) Lureworks has a couple of good watermelon colorings, watermelon 500 and watermelon 600. Watermelon 600 has a little bit more yellow tint than the watermelon 500. If you put just a smidge of black with watermelon 500 you can match Zoom's dead on. Caney Creek is having to phase out their MF coloring. MF has dropped them. I know the new colors that Jason's putting out aren't broken down quite as much as some of the others. As long as they don't bleed, they should do pretty good, but they're probably not pthalate free. I hope it works out for him. You may have been misinformed by Jason or just misread on his forum? I have not dropped any customer or refused to ship any customer except one in France and Bear’s picked up that one. Jason has come up with a 2x formulation, basically a stronger version of his competitors with some colors or something to do with his personal chemist? With less of a break down in straight pigment will = less settle with the colors. He is basically trying to make a living as I do. I wish more homework was done before posting about our company. If CC has more transparent colors that don’t bleed well then the chemist have done a great job as I find most of them being bleeders. If I didn’t just have a hernia surgery I would not even ran across this but it concerns me with misinformation about M-F Manufacturing as we have been in business over 40 years and as every company with our reputation, when and if some of the new companies trying to make ends meet they will also run into problems within 40+ years hard work. We hands down have top quality materials being shipped out of our plant to this date 2012! Take in note I (Jeff Smith) just had a pretty major surgery and you may see some errors until I’m back to 100%. Thanks, Jeff Smith………….15years + shop foreman not counting working through high school.. PS, If you need correct information please feel free to contact me 817-281-9488, again I am not up to par as I have a 4” gash across my belly button. Edited April 3, 2012 by jeff@mf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 So, LC watermellon straight from the bottle is an ugly bight green. Anything I can add to it to make it more like the more typical Zoom watermellon? Or should I get another brand? Thanks....Bill Hey Monte if you don’t mind I really like the name ugly watermelon as I have at least 30 melon colors still to pick from, I have made. May I use this name you came up with?? Thanks, Jeff Smith M-F Manufacturing Co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted April 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Sorry Jeff. I have a trademark on that one. J/K you are more than welcome to use it LOL. ....Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Are you people saying that if the color is not cut enough it will bleed. Even if it is non bleed. I am guessing that that is what is being said. I have some colors that do that so it is good to know if it is true. To me the Spike it is already twice as strong as most. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Are you people saying that if the color is not cut enough it will bleed. Even if it is non bleed. I am guessing that that is what is being said. I have some colors that do that so it is good to know if it is true. To me the Spike it is already twice as strong as most. Frank Are you people saying that if the color is not cut enough it will bleed. Even if it is non bleed. I am guessing that that is what is being said. I have some colors that do that so it is good to know if it is true. To me the Spike it is already twice as strong as most. Frank If it bleeds it will bleed no matter what you do with it unless there is a top secrete process or coated with a cured plastic that can’t be penetrated. Well it also depends what you are pouring it with, it should not show up in black most people know by now what bleeds into what. If you take all your scraps, non-bleeds and bleeders and then pour some baits one solid color, of course the bleeder color will bleed out of whatever color you come up with. Say example only a strawberry bleeder and black non bleeder then the strawberry, redish will eventually come out either in the bag or into separate bait lying next to each other. I have bleeders that bleed through the bottle and then the bag it is stored in. As far as 2x strength goes it is a selling point and I have a few colors you could call 12x, and it’s a great selling point not a great money making point. Another good example do you want to make single baits that catch fish for a week or sell multiple baits that catch many fish? just my 2 cents while i'm down. Jeff Smith, M-F Manufacturing Co 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Jeff, sorry to hear about your surgery and I hope you do well in recovering. If I was misinformed, it was by Jason, and I was just reading what he put on the forum. Maybe I should have used the word phased out instead of dropped, that was my mistake and I apologize for that. Are you supplying the new coloring to Jason? He stated on his forum that he was phasing out MF coloring and unless he's deleted it from his forum that is the statement that Jason himself printed. So, if I was misinformed it was by the person carrying your product. I apologize, I didn't mean to offend you in any way. Like you, I've also been around this business awhile and there's also other things being said about this subject that aren't being publicized, I said nothing about your company in a negative way or about your product. Matter of fact, I said I hoped he did well with his new coloring and don't get me wrong I don't wish anything bad for Jason's business, I'm not a fan of the way he promotes his business, but I don't wish any bad on him or you or any other company as far as it goes. And if I do talk about a product on the forum, it's from personal experience, in other words, I have actually used the product. Again, I apologize if I offended you in any way, but phasing out, dropping, it just kind of seemed the same to me. But I only said what Jason said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 My only point was that we didn’t stop selling any one, now that’s just not smart business. He says he has chemist and engineer’s working on his plastics and colors, it was just a clarification on 1 single point about M-F Manufacturing. Have a good day and enjoy all the info on your forum, just some of it’s not 100% correct. Jeff Smith, M-F manufacturing Co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Jeff, sorry to hear about your surgery and I hope you do well in recovering. If I was misinformed, it was by Jason, and I was just reading what he put on the forum. Maybe I should have used the word phased out instead of dropped, that was my mistake and I apologize for that. Are you supplying the new coloring to Jason? He stated on his forum that he was phasing out MF coloring and unless he's deleted it from his forum that is the statement that Jason himself printed. So, if I was misinformed it was by the person carrying your product. I apologize, I didn't mean to offend you in any way. Like you, I've also been around this business awhile and there's also other things being said about this subject that aren't being publicized, I said nothing about your company in a negative way or about your product. Matter of fact, I said I hoped he did well with his new coloring and don't get me wrong I don't wish anything bad for Jason's business, I'm not a fan of the way he promotes his business, but I don't wish any bad on him or you or any other company as far as it goes. And if I do talk about a product on the forum, it's from personal experience, in other words, I have actually used the product. Again, I apologize if I offended you in any way, but phasing out, dropping, it just kind of seemed the same to me. But I only said what Jason said.No apologize needed>>As far as I am concerned we will no longer be doing business with him for reasons not needed to be explained on TU or for anywhere other than a phone call directly to me at work, 817-281-9488. We are now carrying a few of David’s molds and may not set well with his competition. Only a few since we send several customers to David and one BT. I will say one idea I had for all of us suppliers, as CC was the only one that did not want to participate with me and did not want any part of plastisol testation. I guess I’ll go rest for next week glad it took a navel hernia operation to chime in. Jeff Smith, M-F Manufacturing Co. PS, I can say David is one of the nicest and easiest guys to work with I have ran across in quite some time in this type “3366 cutthroat trout M-F Color” business. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Frank, that can't be right because my pigment is not broken down and I've never had a problem with bleeding. I just always assumed and have always been told that the reason it's broken down is to make for easy use. When you use the pigment like I use, you have to do it by weight and not by drops and it's really messy too. But I've also read where people are having problems with flake bleeding. This is something else that I've never had to happen. I've had it to fade because of heat, but I've never had it to bleed the color. Jeff, I've sent you a PM so as not to hijack this post, but I've got to say times two on your comments about David at Bear's Baits. I talked to him yesterday and today too and he told me awhile back that you and he were going to work together. I think this will be a great move for you and him both and I know for a fact that several people have wanted to carry David's molds for awhile now. I think a lot of David and for him to be willing to work with you after turning down so many others says a lot for you too. A lot of the new guys probably don't know it, but there were no standards in hand injection before David came along, he set the standard and almost single-handedly opened up a new market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 If it bleeds it will bleed no matter what you do with it unless there is a top secrete process or coated with a cured plastic that can’t be penetrated. Well it also depends what you are pouring it with, it should not show up in black most people know by now what bleeds into what. If you take all your scraps, non-bleeds and bleeders and then pour some baits one solid color, of course the bleeder color will bleed out of whatever color you come up with. Say example only a strawberry bleeder and black non bleeder then the strawberry, redish will eventually come out either in the bag or into separate bait lying next to each other. I have bleeders that bleed through the bottle and then the bag it is stored in. As far as 2x strength goes it is a selling point and I have a few colors you could call 12x, and it’s a great selling point not a great money making point. Another good example do you want to make single baits that catch fish for a week or sell multiple baits that catch many fish? just my 2 cents while i'm down. Jeff Smith, M-F Manufacturing Co Sound like you are saying it is not good practice to sell something that you use less of cause you wont sell more. If that is the case I want to say Thank You to Jason at Caney Creek,Don and Bruce at Spike-it and the folks at Lure craft for giving me a product that can save me money by using less. I wish they were selling Gas like that. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Sound like you are saying it is not good practice to sell something that you use less of cause you wont sell more. If that is the case I want to say Thank You to Jason at Caney Creek,Don and Bruce at Spike-it and the folks at Lure craft for giving me a product that can save me money by using less. I wish they were selling Gas like that. Frank Sound like you are saying it is not good practice to sell something that you use less of cause you wont sell more. If that is the case I want to say Thank You to Jason at Caney Creek,Don and Bruce at Spike-it and the folks at Lure craft for giving me a product that can save me money by using less. I wish they were selling Gas like that. Frank Guess you missed this “ As far as 2x strength goes it is a selling point and I have a few colors you could call 12x” I’M not going to interfere with your who’s right who’s wrong it was to clear up one subject. You will find it may not be as user friendly as a cut down version with some coloring processes. Although it may be a stronger colorant you may find yourself going through more wasted plastic trying to correct your color formulation. This is also a great selling point for plastic. And for the other point we sell to smaller hobbyist customers that do not need colorant to be so strong to color 1-55 gallon drum with 1-2 ounces of color. To each their own as there are plenty of people in this world for all of use to have a piece of the action and better enjoy it while it last. There are lots of ups and downs in fishing industry. Luckily M-F and LC have lasted the test of time or forums like this one may not exist. I can already tell why I don’t have time for more surgeries. Good luck with all new process you guys can through out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
