Ugly Lc Watermellon

[jeff@mf]

Sound like you are saying it is not good practice to sell something that you use less of cause you wont sell more. If that is the case I want to say Thank You to Jason at Caney Creek,Don and Bruce at Spike-it and the folks at Lure craft for giving me a product that can save me money by using less. I wish they were selling Gas like that. Frank

One more thing I missed, did you read the few reviews on his colors? Well they were M-F’s

No pissy contest with me I will loose. I am way to busy as this is my full time job @ M-F Manufacturing

[jeff@mf]

Frank, that can't be right because my pigment is not broken down and I've never had a problem with bleeding. I just always assumed and have always been told that the reason it's broken down is to make for easy use. When you use the pigment like I use, you have to do it by weight and not by drops and it's really messy too. But I've also read where people are having problems with flake bleeding. This is something else that I've never had to happen. I've had it to fade because of heat, but I've never had it to bleed the color.

Jeff, I've sent you a PM so as not to hijack this post, but I've got to say times two on your comments about David at Bear's Baits. I talked to him yesterday and today too and he told me awhile back that you and he were going to work together. I think this will be a great move for you and him both and I know for a fact that several people have wanted to carry David's molds for awhile now. I think a lot of David and for him to be willing to work with you after turning down so many others says a lot for you too. A lot of the new guys probably don't know it, but there were no standards in hand injection before David came along, he set the standard and almost single-handedly opened up a new market.

Mike, on the glitter issue you will find that you personally won’t run into curling, bleeding or melting as most of us will/can because I assume you inject all your plastics? You are not keeping your plastic heated as long as most pourers/injectors do. Purple most of the time has issues from bleeding to changing from purple to a lighter tint throughout the years. We do not make our glitter and not sure if any plastic suppliers do, color tech I was told do but I wouldn’t think so. Another hearsay, I may be in the wrong on this.

Again I am only human with 15+ years’ experience in this business thought I could pass some time without making enemies. I started electrical work out of high school and still love working with electricity, not in computers so a head up I may misspell a few words, my daughter can do circles around me. One good point for everyone is to not take everything in typing as it can be misleading as where talking on a phone or person to person not so much. One can take text another direction as otherwise meant. Mike, I got your IM and will call you ASAP when I get back to work, I think I get my staples out today.

[SHK]

now this has turned into an informative thread, thanks for the good reading Jeff.

[jeff@mf]

Sound like you are saying it is not good practice to sell something that you use less of cause you wont sell more. If that is the case I want to say Thank You to Jason at Caney Creek,Don and Bruce at Spike-it and the folks at Lure craft for giving me a product that can save me money by using less. I wish they were selling Gas like that. Frank

One more though sorry bud.

I have customers that complain all the time that they want to catch more than a few fish from each bait, if you can supply me baits that catches fish for a lifetime I can at least sell you a hand full, say 10-15. Not much profit that I can see but I don’t make baits for a living I supply the plastic and colorants.

Jeff Smith

About 2X from what I understand is not a bad idea.

Quote from CC”

“For best results heat your plastic and colorant together. If you are making a new color recipe and need to add drops to hot plastic dilute them slightly with fresh plastic, softener or worm oil prior to adding to your recipe to get a true color.”

So basically another good selling point, selling straight pigment from his engineers and selling you softener to dilute, sounds like the customer doing the work for the mixing process. Not a bad idea as this mixing or diluting may have helped with my hernia. I also noticed the larger cap, that’s so the pigment can be scraped or squeezed like the action of honey into a slight larger opening, another good idea by CC. This is a great idea for larger pre-colored plastics such as gallons or larger but for smaller guys it just wouldn’t work to good for beginners without a little more unneeded work.

Shoot I better get to work soon, wasting all my ideas on a soft plastic forum.

[Frank]

I dont think the colors I have used are to strong and do no mixing before hand. But I guess I mistook what you said about the baits I thought you were talking colorant. Not the quality of your plastic. Your plastic is good stuff. At first to me it sounded like if you add more colorant it would bleed which I have had happen but only in one situation when using floatant. Frank

[carolinamike]

When I first started out I used the coloring that was broken down, I'm not going to say whose. I ordered one certain color 3 times in 1 year and got a different shade all 3 times, so for the 9 years that I did hand pours, I pretty well always used the pure stuff. It's hard to beat the consistency, especially when you're weighing it out. Jeff, you're right about the machines, they cycle enough that flake fading is never an issue, some of the baits that I have to run at a higher temperature will get some curl to the flake. When I was doing hand pours, I had the flake to fade before but I never had it to actually discolor the plastic. Purple always seemed to be the worst out of any of them and yes Color Tech does their own flake. I talked to Don a while back about giving me a tour and I asked him what he would let me see. He told me he would show me everything but 2 machines and the flake machine was one of them. And by the way I hope everything went well with getting your staples out today. I had a buddy that had that type of surgery, he got over it well, but it was slow going. I look forward to talking with you on the phone when you get to feeling better. If no one answers, leave a message and I will call you back.