archeryrob Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 I made a few inline spinners for white perch. Simple design with 1/4 oz body, hackle wrapped on the wire below the body and a trailing undressed treble. Ther eis a bead over the body where the clevis rests and some had a willow blade like a rooster tail and some had a Colorado blade. I had added a very small swivle at the top to remove the line twist inlines can make. Now the blades just lie flat on the body and do not turn? Any ideas why? I used a few inline blades where the hole in in the blade and you use it without the clevis and they spin great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atijigs Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) Try a little bigger bead under the blade. If it is not spinning the bead is not creating a large enough angle between the line the blade. The clevis should also spin freely. If there is any friction with the clevis holes and the wire the blade will also not spin freely. If you want to keep the bead size you have try adding a couple more to get some separation between the lure body and the blade. I think checking these 3 things should get your blades turning. Edited June 5, 2012 by atijigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Make sure you're not using to small of a clevis, based on your wire size!!! larger wire means needing a bigger clevis or it can bind up on you. I used to use stirrup clevis's but changed over to folded ones they just work better. A cheap test I do when making mine is hold it straight up and down and take a breath and blow towards the blade, if you can't get it spinning by the third blow check the components of your spinner and try again. The blades like rooster tails are minnow blades and I've found with those if you put a slight cup to the blade it will spin better. Let us know how you make out and if you need more help just ask. I've made lots of spinners over 20 years and I've only had maybe 10 that didn't want to work right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Are your blades upside down by chance? sounds stupid, but we all have brain farts. Is the bead under your clevis a metal bead or plastic? You want metal as it acts like a ball bearing. Hollow metal will work also. Make sure your clevis is big enough so the blade will spin out and away from the lead body. You may need to add a couple more beads to get the blade up off the body. Lastly, what clevises are you using? Folded will spin the best, but they are fragile. I tried #4 folded on a pike lure and after the first cast the clevis was shaped like an S and unusable. I had to go to round clevises for the strength, but I find they still spend great. Next time you test, try giving the bait a good jerk before you start reeling, sometimes blades need a kick start to go. If everything above checks out, you may have too small of a blade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archeryrob Posted June 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 They had plastic beads under them. I will have to get a picture up. I just can see why they will not spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Never noticed any difference between a plastic or metal bead above the body for the clevis to rest against. BBK - are you using the solid brass folded clevis's?? The only time I've ever had one fail is when I screwed up and didn't leave enough space when wrapping the eyelet on the spinner. LureParts has what they call a magnum clevis used on heavy wire for musky and pike spinners http://lurepartsonline.com/Magnum-Clevises.html?partner=1001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) No, these were the folded ones from Janns. #4 with a #6 french blade twisted up like a pretzel on the first cast. The only thing I use those cheap folded clevises for is walleye harnesses. http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/folded-clevises/320914.aspx Edited June 13, 2012 by BBK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfrog Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 (edited) Use metal beads under the clevis , up size your clevis . Some time back BBK was wanting to make a large spinner with a sinker type mold Here is a 4 oz made with a bottom bouncer mold . The bead under the clevis is painted solid brass. Blade starts spinning from first crank. Edited June 17, 2012 by toadfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Very nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ING Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Use metal beads under the clevis , up size your clevis . Some time back BBK was wanting to make a large spinner with a sinker type mold Here is a 4 oz made with a bottom bouncer mold . The bead under the clevis is painted solid brass. Blade starts spinning from first crank. Looks very nice. Is it really 4oz? Any salmons were caught by that spinner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ING Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 ...... I used to use stirrup clevis's but changed over to folded ones they just work better. A cheap test I do when making mine is hold it straight up and down and take a breath and blow towards the blade, if you can't get it spinning by the third blow check the components of your spinner and try again.... I'm not sure that folded clevises are working better vs. stirrup. IMHO folded clevises have bigger contact suffers and bigger friction. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfrog Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Looks very nice. Is it really 4oz? Any salmons were caught by that spinner?Yep finished weight is 4 .2 oz. That bait is one of three special projects I did for a fellow in Pa. Fishes salt water . Did a spinner bait with a .090 wire coming out of the head . And a tail spin troller . If the blades on a lure don't spinn it usually is one of the problems listed above . All great advice posted . The folks on this forum make spinners that work from the git-go .No popping them to start the blade spinning or any of that stuff . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ING Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) Than you for responce! It is interesting project. I think that bucktail is helping to keep lure more horizontally. What size of the hook? What kind of fish it is targeting? Tuna, salmon, tarpon, etc? Please, let know results of project. Regards Edited June 18, 2012 by ING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfrog Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 ing so far He says that the spinner bait is his first choice and loves it . He targets all salt water species . I don't fish salt water so I have to build to someones general specs. That is a 9/0 circle hook . I also use a 10/0 with bait keeper barbs on it so you can run a plastic trailer . Special projects is what I do mostly for fun and the challenge of going where no man wants to go . I don't generally charge for doing this except if I have to purchase a mold or supplies and shipping the finished product . Going the continous MFG route took the fun out and wore me down years ago . IT'S ALL IN FUN NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ING Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Thank you, toadfrog! I am making spinners for me and my friends. Sometimes I am fishing for salmons in the places that require long distance casting so, I need heavy weight lures. I am worry about non-horizontal position of the heavy body during retrieving. It's could stop rotation of the blade. At now I see from yours example that heavy bodies are acceptable. Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Here's a few of my latest - they all have folded clevis's This is one I copied for my nephew - the one on the left is the Rooster tail one on the right is mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 With those little spinners, I doubt you would ever have a problem with folded clevises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archeryrob Posted November 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) Nice spinner Fatman. Here are a couple I made as an experiment. I went to micheals and bought form beads to play with. The large beads are over 1/4" so they have to be big enough. 1 top left 2 top right 3 bottom left 4 bottom right I made sure all were gapped away from the body. 1 - #4 Colorado, 1/4 oz body. Spins like a champ - Folded Chevis 2 - #2 Colorado, 1/8 oz body. Won't hardly spin even on a yank - Folded Chevis 3 - #2 Willow, 1/8 oz body. Can hardly get it to spin - Stirup Chevis 4 - 3.5 Willow, 1/4oz body. Can hardly get it to spin. - Stirup Chevis Why are all but one of these failing to work? I can't for the life of my figure this out at the moment. Any ideas? Edited November 15, 2012 by archeryrob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) The willows spin close to the body ... More space is needed from clevis to body and then it may be hard to spin (a lot depends on weight and size of blade also size of spacer/bearing beads -- generaly the smaller the better). My 2 cents worth Edited November 16, 2012 by JSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archeryrob Posted November 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Jann's Netcraft shows a bead above and below on their videos, but I read else were the bead above can cause problems in water flow. The colorado's only the no bead above spun. The willow's did not have beads abouv and still did not spin. I am just confused on the failure and figure someone has to know this. These should be simple lures to make, if you know the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 I all ways add a bead above the clevis ... I think it helps to start the spin plus prevents possible "hang up" of clevis on top wire twist or crimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
