mark poulson Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I recently made a couple of Fat Rap-type baits for a friend. When I tested them, they didn't wiggle, so I decided to use wider bills. When I removed the first bills, I found the D2T was still kind of gummy, even though it was four days old. The D2T epoxy I used to seat them had a use by date of 2011. Is that the reason it never got hard? I've use the same epoxy for years, with no problems, so I'm confused. Help!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyo1954 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 How many gummy bears did you mix in it? G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Glenn Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 One of the things we used to watch for with paints was the drying time. Slow was a sure sign of old age. I'm sure it is the same with d2t. (Age doesn't start when you open, it starts when manufactured) Musky Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted July 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Gary, That is almost the consistency of the epoxy! It got hard on the outside, but the inside was gummy, almost like when 5 minute epoxy gets wet and fails. Thank Glenn. Good advice. It does seem to have a longer working time. I just bought another 9oz. set, and only have 1/2" left in the old bottles, so I guess it's time to toss the old ones and start with the new. It pains me to throw stuff away, but having to redo three bills is a pain. The up side is that removing the bills is easier because the epoxy isn't hard. Edited July 24, 2012 by mark poulson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Mark before I threw the old stuff away I'd try mixing up a small batch for a test making doubly sure it was measured and mixed properly. Don't have to apply it to anything. Just leave it in whatever you mixed it in. If it does the same thing then you'll know the epoxy was probably bad. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Glenn Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Odd to me that it set up on the outside. May be something different. Musky Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I recently had some rod guide repairs to do and found the resin was crystallized and the hardener was orange. You can fix resin by heating it but there's nothing to do for hardener. I did a test batch like Ben suggests and it never really hardened, so I tossed the remainder. Problems like Mark's come down to the details. Was there anything in your epoxy mix besides epoxy? Is there any chance that a solvent was out-gassing from the body through the lip slot? If so, the closed lip slot may have prevented a solvent from escaping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyo1954 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Mark, Had that happen to me a couple of months ago. Same thing. Set a bib. Couple of days later decided to reset it. Everything was gummy inside. I assumed it was my fault. Glad to know I'm not the only one. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted July 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I opened the new bottles, which have a use-by date of 2015, and it worked fine. I am waaaaay too cheap! I tried to nurse that old stuff past it's 2011 date. It doesn't help that I keep it in my garage, which gets hot in the summer. "I have met the enemy, and he is me". Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 You can always add a little colorant to the old stuff and use it for a "no-chip" nail polish. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Glenn Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Thats good Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted July 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Hahaha!!!! The old stuff is in the round file. If I have it on the bench, I know I'll figure, "Oh, what the heck, it's okay for some stuff", and I don't want to waste my labor by having glue, the cheapest part of any lure, fail. Edited July 25, 2012 by mark poulson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 aaawwww Mark your just worried you'll glue your socks to them bright red toe nails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted July 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 You promised not to tell!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 You promised not to tell!!!! ooops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluetickhound Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Your (Victoria's) secret is safe with us Mark.... Maybe.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted July 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Geez, what a swell bunch of guys! Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Geez, what a swell bunch of guys! Hahaha Mark we wouldn't kid ya if we didn't luv ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 I opened the new bottles, which have a use-by date of 2015, and it worked fine. I am waaaaay too cheap! I tried to nurse that old stuff past it's 2011 date. It doesn't help that I keep it in my garage, which gets hot in the summer. "I have met the enemy, and he is me". Hahaha You may still eat expired foodstuff , Mark , ......a few more walks to the toilet and you're OK again , ......but no such cure for expired epoxy , .......been there , done that , .......both options ! cheers , Dieter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted July 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Hahaha!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
