Juice780 Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I've been using d2t to install my hook hangers and bills. But I have been having to order it because I can't find it anywhere near me. Is there another epoxy I can use that is just as strong or stronger that I can get at a local store like lowes, ace or hobby lobby. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I know you asked for an epoxy, but I've been using super glue to install hook hangers and ballast weights. There's no mixing and with a quick drop of accelerator it hardens instantly so there's no waiting before moving on to your next step. There's also less waste and you don't have to be in a hurry getting everything installed due to a limited amount of working time with epoxy. I can't tell you how the super glue compares in strength to an epoxy, but I haven't had any failures so far. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice780 Posted July 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 What kind do you use and can you get it in a large bottle instead of those tiny bottles that super glue comes in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I use Zap-A-Gap in the green labeled 4 0z. bottle by Robart Manufacturing. I think there are three different thicknesses of the glue with the green label being their medium viscosity. I buy the accelerator in the larger bottle and instead of using their pump sprayer, which in my opinion wastes product, I started using a 1/16" steel rod dipped into the accelerator and then allow it to drip onto the hangers where it flows down onto the glue. Check out the link below. If I can be of any more help just holler. Ben http://www.robart.com/store/zap-glue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I don't think D2T forms a stronger bond than other 30 minute glue epoxies, it's just good as a topcoat so has become popular. I've never had any kind of hardware pull out of a bait regardless of the type of epoxy used. Which I pick depends mostly on the pot life I need for a particular job. For a couple of baits, I'll use a 5 min epoxy to glue in ballast and hook hangers. If it's 4-5 baits, I'll switch to D2T or any other 30 minute glue epoxy. Lips are a different matter. Quick set 5 minute epoxies turn brown quickly when exposed to UV. I can wipe off the excess on a hanger or ballast and it will never show. But browned epoxy will show through a Lexan lip to the outside if you mount lips after the lure is painted, so I don't use it there. What I have come to like for mounting lips is Rod Bond Paste Epoxy. It is a light beige color when mixed and stays that color after curing. The big advantage is that you can mix a batch of Rod Bond and use it for at least two hours before it begins to harden. So you can do quite a large number of lips without remixing and you still have plenty of time to tweak them to insure they're in straight. It begins to significantly harden after about 5 hours and can be handled after 10-12 hrs, so it's something to use at the end of the day or when you won't need to handle the baits for 10-12 hrs.. There are lots of different formulations of superglue on the market these days - regular, zap a gap, shock resistant, etc I'm sure all of them work on hangers and ballasts - as long as the hardware fits properly so that it conforms to the type of superglue you're using. But I don't think any type of superglue is as shock resistant as epoxy so don't use it to mount lips. JMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I must have read over the part about gluing in lips so let me recap my previous post. I don't use the super glue to secure diving lips. It's only used on hook hangers and ballast weights. For mounting lips I use Bob Smith Slow Cure 30 minute epoxy. I still have to order it online, but what I do is buy 2 sets of the 9 oz. bottles at a time. Then when I'm down to about 1/3 left on the last set I order two more. This cuts down on having to order so often and saves a little on shipping. Sorry for any confusion. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedyarb Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Hobbytownusa sells bob smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Glenn Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I was at Hobby Lobby yesterday and they had an epoxy that both bottles were clear that they were selling for $10.99. It didn't tell the strength but that is still a good buy for a 9 ounce pack. The name was Extreme "something or other". Most of the epoxies that I am familiar with are lower in strength when both parts are clear. This may or may not be true of this epoxy. Musky Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice780 Posted July 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 What do most of you guys use to install ballast weight, hook hangers, and bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Like Ben, I use super glue to install ballast and hook hangers, and D2t to install bills. If I have any voids after the epoxy on the bills sets, I'll fill them in with gap filling Zap, and use the accelerant. I will start using Ben's wire applicator. He's right. The spray bottle wastes a ton of material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Hook hangers and ballast weights............Zap-A-Gap Super Glue Diving lips..............Bob Smith Slow Cure 30 minute epoxy Gluing through wired bait halves together.............Bob Smith Quick Cure 5 minute epoxy Here's the link to where I order the Bob Smith epoxy. http://stores.aeromicro.net/Categories.bok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluetickhound Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) I've been using JB wood weld for my belly hook hanger and it has worked well for me so far. Any Home Depot, Lowe's or a like type of store should have it. Karl Edited July 25, 2012 by bluetickhound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluetickhound Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) I was at Hobby Lobby yesterday and they had an epoxy that both bottles were clear that they were selling for $10.99. It didn't tell the strength but that is still a good buy for a 9 ounce pack. The name was Extreme "something or other". Most of the epoxies that I am familiar with are lower in strength when both parts are clear. This may or may not be true of this epoxy. Musky Glenn I've seen that and quite honestly... I'd pass on it. The HL here near home has it and every (hardener) bottle on the rack has already hardened. I told the store manager... They got some more and within the month the new batch hardened in the bottle also... Edited July 25, 2012 by bluetickhound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassguy Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 I use the 2ton for ballast weight and hanger combo, because I know I've never had a failure with it. I then fill the remaining space at the top with the epoxy stick. After it's mixed, press it into the ballast hole and smooth out, once that's done, I can go to the next bait. Once it's cured, sand and prime the bait....ta da. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluetickhound Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 That's one thing i like about the JB wood weld... As it cures it becomes putty like before it hardens and you can mold it to blend in with the curvature of the bait. A touch with the ole 400 grit and you, sir, are good to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyo1954 Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 Have to agree with you. Living in a small town does not make it easy to obtain some of the stuff these guys talk about. Lowes has epoxies. Loctite and Gorilla Epoxy are just as good for ballasts. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice780 Posted July 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 There is a hobby town USA here so I might go there and see what they have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassguy Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Most Ace hardware stores carry D2T, they do out here, maybe different back east. I'd check Ace just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluetickhound Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Ace has it here in Georgia too, only its the dual syringe deal, mot the two bottles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy G Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Don't know if you have an O'reilly's or not but they sell a good 2 ton epoxy here in Arkansas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice780 Posted July 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 For some reason ace doesn't carry d2t here. I think I'm gonna try the bob smith stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickdraw Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 I use Zap-A-Gap in the green labeled 4 0z. bottle by Robart Manufacturing. I think there are three different thicknesses of the glue with the green label being their medium viscosity. I ordered a bottle of this to start using on my hardware. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatfingers Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 I went back to d2t after trying Gorilla glue for a while, along with a few others. The d2t is just the best,so I chose to bite the bullet and order it as needed. I've installed .092 stainless screw eyes with it and you will twist off (break) the screw eyes before they will unscrew from the bait. That is the strength I'm after, so I use the stuff despite the hassle of ordering it. I build stuff for muskies though. If I built for other species I'd probably use something easier to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodieb8 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 we wire our lures or use screws. for big slimey muskies you need to overbuild to keep musky guys happy. failures are not an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
