Drakegunner Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Hey everyone. I've really enjoyed making my own jigging spoons thanks to the help of the great people on this site. Fishing has been very good thanks to my custom lures and others have noticed. Which brings me to the question. Are there any legal issues in selling jigs made with a Do-It Mold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Drake, None that I know of. When I first started selling jigs, I asked Do-It Molds if I can use the name "Poison Tail" or "Ultra-Minnow" in my catalog, and they had no problem with it. They were very nice about the whole process, and I use all of their names in my catalog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfrog Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 The only time there is an issue is with pony head lures . You can make them for yourself but you can't sell them commercially or you will get a legal nasty gram from Blakemore . Even though the mold is older than the company . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 I don't think you will have a problem, Do-it looks at it as advertising. I really think Do-it can raise questions with a lot of companies that make tackle, take a look at a finished poison tail jig and look at Tackle Warehouse's jig section, I bet there are at least 4 or 5 decent size companies tat use a very similar design if not the exact design of that mold and the poison tail was out before those jigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 If you're in doubt, contact the company that made your molds and ask if there is a problem selling the stuff you make with their molds, like Cadman said he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLT Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I need proof that your stuff catches fish like you claim. Please send many samples of each lure to me for testing lol. I promise I will not complain to any mold company! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakegunner Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I need proof that your stuff catches fish like you claim. Please send many samples of each lure to me for testing lol. I promise I will not complain to any mold company! Here's some proof from tonight, ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakegunner Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Here's a few more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakegunner Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Thanks for the replies guys. I just want to avoid any problems. I read about the pony heads and didn't want to get a letter or worse. Would it be a good idea to get written permission from do-it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Drake, All you have to do is call them. I don't think they will send you a letter approving you to use their molds so you can then sell their jigs. I have been doing this for 8 years and never had a problem. Do-It knows that you are going to create jigs from their molds that's why they are selling and making molds. Now if you were going to take one of their molds and then have it copied and then start sellling molds well that is a different story. Everyone I ever spoke to at Do-it has never given me any problems. Even at the worst case possible, a company would usually send you a cease and desist letter before they sue you. However for your peace of mind call them and ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakegunner Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Thanks for sharing your advice and experience cadman. And for all of your help. I started making my jigs specifically for myself and friends, now that it has turned into a small business opportunity, I wanted to check before investing more time and money. I'll call do-it to make sure there is no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLT Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I don't know. l think I've seen those pics posted on other sites over the years....better still send me the free samples lol. Really though, goodluck to you. Sound like you have a great product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Drake, I didn't look closely at the pics you posted. I did now and damn those are nice fish. Were those all caught on your jigging spoon? If so dude, that is money in the bank. If you can catch fish like that with your jigging spoons then definitely start selling them. BTW pardon my ignorance but those are salmpon correct? If so what kind of salmon are they? Just trying to expand my horizons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLT Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 I can see the spoons in 2 different pics Cad, and they look pretty nice. I was looking at getting a mold for down at the beach, but not sure which one to invest in. (Big blues and Stripers) Is that the diamond jig Drake? Painted or the stick on designs? Now a question I don't think you posted, but if you are worried about do-it having issues with selling their stuff, you may also want to look into being legal to sell tackle. Do you have your tax numbers? Where I sell, if you don't have it, the registered tackle makers will turn you in fast. Just something else to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Dude, I think you're gonna need a bigger boat! Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakegunner Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Drake, I didn't look closely at the pics you posted. I did now and damn those are nice fish. Were those all caught on your jigging spoon? If so dude, that is money in the bank. If you can catch fish like that with your jigging spoons then definitely start selling them. BTW pardon my ignorance but those are salmpon correct? If so what kind of salmon are they? Just trying to expand my horizons. Thanks, and yes those are Chinook Salmon. Aka Kings I've always trolled for them and caught a lot, but a couple of years ago, I started vertical jigging for them and it is a blast. Only problem was I couldn't find a jig with all the best elements for my style of fishing, so I sold some stuff and got into making my own. I have to say, my buddies and I have been just pounding them on my jigs. We are consistently out fishing the guys trolling around us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakegunner Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Now a question I don't think you posted, but if you are worried about do-it having issues with selling their stuff, you may also want to look into being legal to sell tackle. Do you have your tax numbers? Where I sell, if you don't have it, the registered tackle makers will turn you in fast. Just something else to think about. What steps do I need to take to become legal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EironBreaker Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Here in Missouri, I needed a State business license so I could get set up to submit sales tax. You also need an EIN (employee identification number) from the IRS. There are some hoops to jump through, forms to fill out and I even had a local IRS rep come to see my setup. I think there was another IRS form to submit when getting started but I forget what that is called. Then you have to submit form 720 to the IRS on a quarterly basis and pay your 10% excise tax. That is the short version of how to get started legally. Or you can just fly under the radar and take a chance of someone turning you in or whatever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAWJigs Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 As of now I am flying under the radar. Just selling to friends and about 5 customers. I would love to sell online, but thatll be soon enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Glover Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 The Feds should be a main concern on becoming legal. They actually came out to my MFG facility & inspected to be sure that I was really building baits. I never could figure that one out, guess the guy wanted to get out of the office. That was about 20 years ago. If you are going to sell retail, you will need a state tax ID also, as others have already posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfella Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Those fish look a little dark to me. Is that a jigging spoon or a snagging spoon. Inquiring minds would like to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) As of now I am flying under the radar. Just selling to friends and about 5 customers. I would love to sell online, but thatll be soon enough You want to be very careful-one disgrutled customer or competitor calls the I.R.S. w/ your name/business name/address and you will be investigated- no matter how small you are.The penalties and interest will superceed your cost of going legal. Now if they declare you a fraudulent businessman,you're in for a long and expensive road of audits. Edited for spelling Edited December 23, 2013 by smallmouthaholic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Wholesale or retail or both that is the question Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Wholesale or retail or both that is the question Wayne http://www.irs.gov/publications/p510/ch05.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Thanks smallmouthaholic, now we know what those boys in Washington think about. If we had a flat tax rate they would do even less then we could cut the senate and the house in half, but then they would feel like the rest of the unemployed, but they would...........I best stop. Just fill out the tax form and find a bean counter to do the tax work. ravenlures Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
