A-Mac Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 I've never had the rhythmic hunting that Dave's lure has, but I do have a consistent and bold erratic hunt with my cranks. However, I'm intrigued by the rhythmic hunt now. I have an idea to try. Duplicating the action of a mass produced bait is difficult enough, let alone going off of a Sasquatch-type video of a lure Dave produced! The damn thing could have a microchip in it for all we know! Or maybe he just moves the camera up and down as the lure passes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 Hahaha!!! Dave, he caught on to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I had to pay the kids to pull the cross line too DAve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Never realised, but I have been making these for years too, problem is mine only 'hunt' left or right, never both !!!!!!!!!!!!!! --- Now I have some hints, the 'hunt' is on. Thanks Dave. Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluetickhound Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) As a private pilot (or should I say former private pilot.... It costs too dang much to make lures AND fly!!) I started thinking about things like CoG, the difference between taildraggers and nosewheel aircraft, weight and balance stuff and it certainly applies to my current thinking concerning producing a repeatable hunter.... Playing around with a stick, balancing it on my palm and letting it hang between my thumb and forefinger have given me some ideas about weight placement. Like so many have said here... There's a fine line between just enough and too much.... Anybody who has ever ground looped a taildragger knows that all too well! Edited June 19, 2013 by bluetickhound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Ha! - I'm an aircraft designer - it helped a little bit Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Incidentally, the first hunt I ever achieved was so wild, I doubted a fish could ever catch it, no exaggeration it was THAT wild. Being an impatient fool, I modified it to see effect instead of making a fresh lure. The effect was lost and I never saw it again. My point is that there is a lot more out there than you might think and it has NOT all been done before. If there is one statement that makes me grin, it is "there is nothing new" Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluetickhound Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Incidentally, the first hunt I ever achieved was so wild, I doubted a fish could ever catch it, no exaggeration it was THAT wild. Being an impatient fool, I modified it to see effect instead of making a fresh lure. The effect was lost and I never saw it again. My point is that there is a lot more out there than you might think and it has NOT all been done before. If there is one statement that makes me grin, it is "there is nothing new" Dave I always chuckle when i recall that someone back in the 1800's stated that the patent office should be closed because everything that could be invented had already BEEN invented.... There is always, ALWAYS something new and amazing on the horizon.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluetickhound Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) Ha! - I'm an aircraft designer - it helped a little bit Dave That must be a very interesting way to make a living!! Aviation has always been a passion and the things I have learned on my way to getting my ppl have helped me (even though I'm severly mathematically challenged....) in many other areas of life... Edited June 19, 2013 by bluetickhound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodieb8 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 making baits that are trolled at 3-5mph can be tricky. our lures need a wandering effect with return to center. muskys love that wander with wobble.<br />while all are tuned to run correct at the speeds theres always 1 that has magic. it can have no paint teeth marks everywhere but it still catches.thats the magic of hand built lures. that's why sharing info on this site gives every builder a view and thoughts.<br />theres always a better mouse trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluetickhound Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 I've been busy with my new plastisol stuff and haven't been doing much with the balsa lately but I did try out some ideas that I had been kicking around. I put some weight up higher in the crank just a bit forward of CoG and was surprised at the results. I had always thought that you didn't want to have weight that high in a bait but i guess as long as you have weight at the bottom you can have that wiggle room, so to speak.... i see now what folks mean when they say its a comete system.... No one part of the puzzle is enough.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Mac Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 I tried something simple, just turned the line tie horizontal. I figured it would let it kick out more. EPIC FAIL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluetickhound Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 I tried something simple, just turned the line tie horizontal. I figured it would let it kick out more. EPIC FAIL! Excellent!! At least we know what NOT to do!! You saved me (and maybe a few others) some time and frustration.... I had thought about trying that also.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Mac Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 Excellent!! At least we know what NOT to do!! You saved me (and maybe a few others) some time and frustration.... I had thought about trying that also.... My lures have a substantial amount of hunt anyway. Perhaps if you have a straight line running lure it would work. I didn't even get a wobble out of mine though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluetickhound Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 My lures have a substantial amount of hunt anyway. Perhaps if you have a straight line running lure it would work. I didn't even get a wobble out of mine though. I wonder how that would work with a topwater or a jerkbait.... Hmmmmmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Mac Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 I wonder how that would work with a topwater or a jerkbait.... Hmmmmmm..... Yeah, I can see it having potential with a walk-the-dog lure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 I think having a horizontal line tie would restrict the amount of side to side action in a lure. I use bigger split rings on my walking baits, and smaller ones on my flat sided cranks, for that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Hi , folks , Just came across this video displaying the art of Finnish lurecrafting , .......check out the tank test at the end of the video , ...these Finnish minnows do sport a lovely hunting action IMO . I only wonder , whether the action is solely generated by the oversized circular diving bill plus the line tie position or these lures also have some kinda ballast embedded , ....at least the latter is not displayed in the video , maybe they also don't want to reveal all of their secrets , .....or the lures are really unweighted ??? If unweighted , I also wonder , whether these minnows are carved from balsa or a somewhat less buoyant timber , ...maybe abachewood , .......they seem to run at three feet or so , a bit too deep for an unweighted balsa blank , maybe ? Cheers , diemai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent R Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Hi , folks , Just came across this video displaying the art of Finnish lurecrafting , .......check out the tank test at the end of the video , ...these Finnish minnows do sport a lovely hunting action IMO . I only wonder , whether the action is solely generated by the oversized circular diving bill plus the line tie position or these lures also have some kinda ballast embedded , ....at least the latter is not displayed in the video , maybe they also don't want to reveal all of their secrets , .....or the lures are really unweighted ??? If unweighted , I also wonder , whether these minnows are carved from balsa or a somewhat less buoyant timber , ...maybe abachewood , .......they seem to run at three feet or so , a bit too deep for an unweighted balsa blank , maybe ? Cheers , diemai Thanks for posting this video......he has a great bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I think he may be moving his test stick from side to side to get the hunting action. The baits do look great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I think he may be moving his test stick from side to side to get the hunting action. The baits do look great! In this case it won't be a hunting action , but cheating ! Gonna try to carve sucha bait coming weekend shift to find out , ...I ever wanted to see , what's about these oversized , round lips . cheers , Dieter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 That is a terrific action. I wonder what his percentages are. Would love for someone to make a hi-speed video one day, so that we can see in very slow motion what is going on. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Looks like this is where the Rapala 'zig zag' or whatever it's called originated, these guys have been making these 'saddle' lips for ever, I think they make them out of 'Propionate' some how-- Any ideas Dieter?????? / Here's another vid with some factory secrets, DON"T stop at the Romanian girls, you have to watch it all now!!! Pete Edited July 4, 2013 by hazmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Mac Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 That's a cool video, and a great way to market! I've been trying to find prices on their stuff, but haven't found anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) That's a cool video, and a great way to market! I've been trying to find prices on their stuff, but haven't found anything. On YouTube is a link to their site, .......sadly in Finnish language only : http://www.vavvaappu.com/ Gotta utilize some kinda translator , ........the lure in the video seems to be the "Satku 100mm" , ..... http://www.vavvaappu.com/tuotteetvav.html ..................click on pictures to see different colors available , ....14 Euros excluding shipping(multiply by 1,3 to about convert into US Dollars) . Greetz , diemai Edited July 4, 2013 by diemai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
