Nathan Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 For the past few years I.ve been playing around with diving bill placement..(I've even placed them near the tail of a bait,,you get a cool top water wobble!)..The past year I've been playing around with a new bait concept that is 180 degrees of what we are use too...We all build floating baits that dive when retrieved..What about a sinking bait that swims to the surface when retrieved? Think about the uses of such a bait..Think how you could swim it and follow the contour of a subsurface hump in the water....of follow the top of a submurged grass line?..Another use is you can actually make your bait look like a small bait fish feeding on the surface..Or let your bait sink through a school of fish then swim it up through them...What other uses can you see? This can be achieved by building a sinking bait then attatching the "rising bill" in one of two ways...You'll notice the one bait has the bill coming out of it's forehead facing forward at approx. 45 degrees (we will call it forehead bait) and the other has the bill in the normal location but facing back word at about 45 degrees.Now both baits will swim and wobble to the surface and when you stop the retrieve they sink..Even with in these two baits you have a couple different uses from one to another....Example with the forhead bait you can swim it to the surface and use the very top of the bill to cause a surface commotion while the entire bait stays in full view under water.....The other bait makes a great bait that you can buzz right on the surface..Like I said before you can make both of them look just like a little fish feeding on the surface by bring them to the surface and stop/starting your retrieve. I've even tried this concept with Shad baits,Trout shaped baits..etc and they all work. I'm sure I've worked with this project for so long that I'm missing some uses that are right in front of me...What have I missed?...Have fun with it...Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 For some reason the picture didn't post...I'll try to fix that..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 3rd time is a charm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I've played around with that concept on a minnow shaped lure before, but never even thought about doing it with a different body style. Thanks for waking up some brain cells Nathan. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Years ago I saw a tip in a magazine that you would take a sinking stickbait; remove the rear hook; then rig the line tie with the rear hook. Fish the thing backwards to get the rise and fall effect. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Nova, I can see how that would work...The diving bill would then be rear facing like my top bait....The only difference is the bill location...Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishn4fishn Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Those baits would come in handy bank fishing where you go from deep to shallow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) I thought that info might interest you Nathan. What about a bill facing backwards at about the midships area? www.novalures.com Edited October 22, 2012 by nova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Nova, I have placed the bills a midship facing forward..but never backward.The action was only so-so.The diving bill in the tail area facing forward makes for a nice top water bait.(the further back the bill is less it tends to dive)...Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 You are the perfect example of why people freak when they realize that "they live among us", they being you. Hahaha You think different, that's for sure. I live next door to a woman who writes vampire books, and makes a living doing it. I am always careful when I go out late at night....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 You are the perfect example of why people freak when they realize that "they live among us", they being you. Hahaha You think different, that's for sure. I live next door to a woman who writes vampire books, and makes a living doing it. I am always careful when I go out late at night....... Now I know what to get you for Christmas Mark. A garlic necklace. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 And a silver cross!!!...lol..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy G Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Very interesting concept. One ? though. When dragging it over and through cover, does it hang up or deflect? Just wondering since the lip helps against snags a lot on a diving bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 My guess that this would not be a style of lure I'd use around cover.Neither version offers any deflection before the hooks would snag...Nathan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crankpaint Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 If the bill was wide enough and facing to the rear it should protect the hooks some from hanging upon snags as it would hit before the hooks and deflect up over the snag then keep moving up away from it as you retreive the lure??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBlaze Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Those baits would come in handy bank fishing where you go from deep to shallow. Wishn4fishn, I like your idea, A whole new concept for the banking basser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
