Filter Board?

[andy1976]

Does anyone know what the filter board materials used for fluid beds is? Thanks

[cadman]

You can buy it from CSI. They sell it by the sheet cut to your size. I can't tell you what the technicle name is, however I know it is very pourous. It is the same material they use for airstines in aquariums.

[andy1976]

Thanks a lot cadman.

[Kasilofchrisn]

Most places seem to call it a fluidizing plate.

I found this EBAY listing and ordered some. $12 for an 8"x8"X.250 thick piece seemed like a fair price to me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290795409064?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

I will have to play around with getting it cut once I recieve it.

Nothing wrong with the Vaccumm cleaner bag material I use now except for the one time it ripped and made a mess with 6oz of Glow orange in the cup.

I need longer cups for the stuff I make so ordering the premaid ones is not ideal.

I am doing Torpedo shaped jigs up 2.5 pounds in size so taller 2" cups with good solid bottoms is something I have been looking for. Now I can make my own.

[tbrinlee]

I have used a paper bad or even 65# paper. works pretty god for me.

[Kasilofchrisn]

I have used a paper bad or even 65# paper. works pretty god for me.

There are a lot of options out there for filter media. I have been using vaccum cleaner bag material.

I do some long jigs and some are pretty big. Like I said earlier one tear in your bag material and you will have a mess.

The Hard material we are talking about will not puncture or break easily.

If you accidently drop a big jig in it or otherwise do something that would tear bag material filters The hard stuff will not break and make a big mess.

For most people paper bag or similiar filter media will work fine.

For guys like me and Andy1976 who make really big jigs the hard bottom cups are a good option even if they cost more money.

[andy1976]

Thanks yes I paint a lot of 4-16 oz jigs and drop one every other time I paint. My idea is to have a fluid bed for each color and change the pump instead of changing the color.

[tbrinlee]

For guys like me and Andy1976 who make really big jigs the hard bottom cups are a good option even if they cost more money.

Thanks for the explanation. I assume you made your own fluid bed for these. Idon't know if you would mind sharing a picture of this type of long bed arrangement but i

would be interested in seeing it. i'm just a hobbiest but I do make some large jigs on occassion.

I also don't want to hijack a thread.

Tony

[andy1976]

No problem, I bought my fluid bed some years ago. I think from csi. It has a base with a vibrator on the bottom. I suppose it prevents volcanos though I only use the vibrator for some paints. I have about 15 short cups for jig heads and only one long one for big jigs so I have to dump the powder and clean it every color change. They all came with a hard bottom. The long fluid bed cup is about ten inches.

If your interested in a taller fluid bed I would just get a piece of scrap 3" PVC 10" long and get a 3" disk for the hard filter from tj's tackle. It takes about a pound and a half of powder to get it to the top. I usually buy 3lbs of each color from Columbia powders. They have some pretty good deals including a three lbs for thirty dollar selection.

[Kasilofchrisn]

Thanks for the explanation. I assume you made your own fluid bed for these. Idon't know if you would mind sharing a picture of this type of long bed arrangement but i

would be interested in seeing it. i'm just a hobbiest but I do make some large jigs on occassion.

I also don't want to hijack a thread.

Tony

I too am a hobbiest. But I fish Alaska's Cook Inlet from my boat and we need large jigs.

Not only is there potential for large fish but we also have the worlds second highest tides. Some of those tides require 5 or more pounds of weight just to hold bottom. I don't fish the heaviest tide days if I can help it because it just isn't worth it for me.

I don't have any pics handy and I am stuck at work for another week and a half.

All I did was make some taller 2" cups and added more powder than most people would.My cups usually hold 6oz or so of powder. I am going to try cutting this board to make round discs to fit standard 2" PVC.

I did make my own fluid beds after purchasing my first one on EBAY.

They are pretty simple to make and I plan on making some more like Andy said so I can have multiple colors going at once.

[andy1976]

Ok I'm getting the three inch disk from tj's tackle I'll let everyone know how it goes. Thanks

[tbrinlee]

Ok I'm getting the three inch disk from tj's tackle I'll let everyone know how it goes. Thanks

When you get it in, let me know how it turns out. I am interested.

I have built 1 1/2" and 2" beds and used an aquarium pump and it works OK as long as I don't load the paint too heavy in the bottom (about an inch or so). Works great on the smaller jigs but haven't tried it on anything of any size. When I load it up too high I end up with volcanoes. I was wondering if anyone had built a long narrow bed so you could drop them in length-wise.

Tony

[sdsaw]

When you get it in, let me know how it turns out. I am interested.

I have built 1 1/2" and 2" beds and used an aquarium pump and it works OK as long as I don't load the paint too heavy in the bottom (about an inch or so). Works great on the smaller jigs but haven't tried it on anything of any size. When I load it up too high I end up with volcanoes. I was wondering if anyone had built a long narrow bed so you could drop them in length-wise.

Tony

CS Coatings makes one, so it seems possible

http://www.csipaint....r-fluid-bed.php

[sdsaw]

I seem to be missing something

Where on TJ's Tackle do they have the filter board?

[Kasilofchrisn]

When you get it in, let me know how it turns out. I am interested.

I have built 1 1/2" and 2" beds and used an aquarium pump and it works OK as long as I don't load the paint too heavy in the bottom (about an inch or so). Works great on the smaller jigs but haven't tried it on anything of any size. When I load it up too high I end up with volcanoes. I was wondering if anyone had built a long narrow bed so you could drop them in length-wise.

Tony

I have 3-3" beds with the 3"-2" adapter in them. Mine are 8"or 10" I can't remember off hand (the 2" piece) and I run 6 oz of powder in them. I use one aquarium pump to run two of them at one time and the other has its own pump.

Some colors work fine and some always give me some volcanos but are stilll usable. I think that it just the nature of some paints in being hard to work with due to the colors pigments and their different weights among other variables.

I am going to try adding a small vibrating motor to mine to see if that helps the more difficult paints.

I just got a hand massager as a party gift and I may start out taping it to a fluid bed to see what happens.

If it works there are lots of cheap vibrating motors on EBAY I could rig up easily for a permanent solution.

I don't know why you can't load more paint in your cups.

Are you getting enough airflow through you filter material?

Have you tried different filter media such as coffee filters or vaccum cleaner bag material or others?

Maybe you need a bigger aquarium pump?

I may try to build a square or rectangular fluid bed but I'm not sure I want to have to use that much paint.

The CSI square one says it need 4 pounds of powder to run it. Way too much of one color for me.

I would of course make one much smaller than the 10.5"x10.5" they make.But even 1 pound of powder is a lot to have to use.

[andy1976]

Volcano are probably a filter problem. I get volcano at times. I dump the powder out and the use a shop had to clean the filter.

For the disks I emailed him and he sent me a PayPal invoice 4.50 each or 4 over twenty.

[tbrinlee]

I am going to try adding a small vibrating motor to mine to see if that helps the more difficult paints.

I just got a hand massager as a party gift and I may start out taping it to a fluid bed to see what happens.

If it works there are lots of cheap vibrating motors on EBAY I could rig up easily for a permanent solution.

I don't know why you can't load more paint in your cups.

Are you getting enough airflow through you filter material?

Have you tried different filter media such as coffee filters or vaccum cleaner bag material or others?

Maybe you need a bigger aquarium pump?

I may try to build a square or rectangular fluid bed but I'm not sure I want to have to use that much paint.

The CSI square one says it need 4 pounds of powder to run it. Way too much of one color for me.

I would of course make one much smaller than the 10.5"x10.5" they make.But even 1 pound of powder is a lot to have to use.

I believe I have enogh air. My problem seemd to be on a couple paints that wouldn't fluidize correctly and ended up blowing volcanoes. It tended to clump rather than fluidize. I tied some other paint and it did well.

I have used several different filter materials though I haven't tried the vacuum cleaner bag yet. I'll give it a try.

The vibratory idea sounds good. May try that myself.

I really appreciate the time you took to comment.

Tony

[tbrinlee]

Volcano are probably a filter problem. I get volcano at times. I dump the powder out and the use a shop had to clean the filter.

For the disks I emailed him and he sent me a PayPal invoice 4.50 each or 4 over twenty.

Thanks for that idea. I will retry the two colors I was having a problem with.

I looked at jars of powder coat I had and they were probably about 6 years old. I know I should throw them out but I guess I am too cheap. But heck, I don't get around to things sometimes and projects kind of pile up.

Thanks again.

Tony

[RAWJigs]

I have a fluid bed, and I tried every media but that fluidizing pad. I might have to try that. Kasilofchrisn, please post a thread about how it worked what you did to attach and all that if ya would bud.

Andy1976, I first thought that sounded expensive then I looked at that ebay link at the top and to cut 4 3" discs it would be better to get them from TJ and spend the extra couple bucks and let TJ get them. I have access to cutting the material just not that great at cutting circles lol

[Kasilofchrisn]

I was planning to use a hole saw in a drill press to cut out the circles.

For the cost of 3 precut circles I can make 12-2" circles (hopefully) out of one 8"x8" board. 3" is bigger than I need as I can do even 24oz big mojo bullet head jigs in a 2" cup.

I just need taller 2" cups to make a lot of what i make.

If I need to I can take them to work where we have all the tools and materials a guy would need.

I am sure one of our machinist could help with the cutting if I needed help.

We also have a myriad of adhesive products I could try if something at home doesn't work.

I might just try some Loctite 598 Black silicone RTV gasket maker. Our turbine Mechanics call it the black death as anything put together with it does not come apart easily and often things break getting them apart.

I might also try some epoxy either D2t or JB weld.

A bit of experimentng is needed for sure but I am confident me,Andy1976 or another forum member will figure it out and post a report.

Edited November 2, 2012 by Kasilofchrisn

[dlaery]

whoops. double post

Edited November 2, 2012 by dlaery

[dlaery]

CS Coatings makes one, so it seems possible

http://www.csipaint....r-fluid-bed.php

I bought one of these about 8 years ago and could never get it to work evenly. One side would have too much air and the other side didn't have enough. So then I put 2 air chambers with separate air control and that helped a lot. I think 4 would have been better.

My fluid bed is 13"x18", I would put the jigs on a rack so I could dip 100 or more at a time. It was fast, but I was trying to keep the eyelets open and couldn't do it. I took the vibratory motor out and attached it to a flat board. Took the spring feet off and put on the board, now I just set my fluid bed on the board and the vibration does help.

3 or 4 coffee filters.

Edited November 2, 2012 by dlaery

[Kasilofchrisn]

Thanks Diaery! Thats exactly the kind of info I was looking for.

I plan to build something similiar to that over this winter.