Fishoey Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Hello TU Members- Before I begin I want to note if anyone knows the forum topic my answer may be found under, please feel free to point me in that direction. Thanks! I have been shooting Calhoun soft and medium and I am pretty happy with the results thus far. My only issue is when I add sent (LC) to the bags, the worms drink it up like it is last call at an Irish Pub! It might get 5 days of slimy baits, before they become a dry clump in the bag. I leave the baits out for at least 24hrs before bagging them. I do not add scent to the plastisol when it is cooking. I'm not sure if it is the LC scent or the Calhoun which is the issue. I am guessing the scent it DNIP. I believe when the scent is absorbed into the baits it changes the composition making the slightly more rigid (thoughts?). I emailed Calhoun a few days ago and haven't heard back. I want to buy a drum, but I am wavering if it is going to cause this issue. I purchased my 5gal plastisol from bear, but did not ask him this question. I know he would answer, but I also know he is really busy! Any and all help would be appreciated. I know a lot of you guys don't mind the dry look, however it is important to me to have them slightly mobile in the bags. Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 How much scent are you putting in the bag of baits? If you are putting too much in that would be the problem. If you are using salt in the cooking process that will also absorb the scent; which is what you want. Try putting about 10 drops of scent in a bag of 10 baits and see what happens. May be a case of too much of a good thing. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishoey Posted November 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Thanks Nova. I am actually only putting about 10 drops or less in the bag. It is enough to wet the lures and to get them in place at the bottom of the bags. I'm not sure why "more" would soak up any different than less though. I don't add salt, so I know it is not the issue. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnybassman Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 No matter how "soggy" I put the baits in the bags, a couple weeks later they are dry again. I usually do a combo of worm oil and scent with LC's soft plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass-Boys Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 are you guys using laminated worm bags??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnybassman Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 are you guys using laminated worm bags??? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishoey Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Yes. I am using laminated worm bags. @wynbassman - I don't know if I would go that route "adding raw plastisol" to the worm, simply because it is toxic in raw form. Thanks for the tip though. I know it can be done. I see worms from major manufacturers "swimming" in worm oil. This cannot be a new concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishoey Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I want to add... I just did an internet search and I found others have posted about the same issue I am having with the worm oil soaking into Calhoun. There is a lot of... "well I don't want my worms dripping in oil" comments. Apparently, the answer given to others is to convince them having slick worms is a bad thing and they shouldn't want oily worms. I DO want slick worm (not a bag of oil mind you) but slick worms. I know Culprit's worms are very oily and they are that way for a reason. I'm pretty sure the oil prevents the tails from folding and making semi-permanent creases. Also it keeps 7 other worms from jumping out of the bag when selecting a single worm for rigging. I am starting to believe this is a common problem with some plastics which there is no fix. I believe plastisol is a combination of liquid PVC (or by product) and DNIP (which I am assuming is considered a resin additive). Now, I know DNIP is used to make some manufacturers worm oil. My question... Is there another worm oil which can be used which is not DNIP? Maybe this would fix the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnybassman Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Yes. I am using laminated worm bags. @wynbassman - I don't know if I would go that route "adding raw plastisol" to the worm, simply because it is toxic in raw form. Thanks for the tip though. Sorry, I wore that a little funny. I was just saying I use the LC soft formula for my plastic pouring. I only add the worm oil and scent to the finished baits, no raw plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painter1 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 I have bought a lot of baits that have salt all over the outside and they do not stick together. Does anyone here know if they add worm oil also or just roll the baits around in salt before bagging them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurizio Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 just roll them in salt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobv Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 just roll them in salt Do you let the plastic cure or do you roll a warm bait in the salt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurizio Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I let them cure over night and salt them with fine salt right before bagging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnybassman Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Salt does a great job making it easy to get baits into a bag, but I find it attracts/creates moisture in the bags during damp/cold weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishoey Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Okay... Update. I heard back from Calhoun today and spoke to one of the reps. First, he said I was saying it wrong, its "DINP" not "DNIP" for the abbreviated name for the plasticizer. According to the rep there are primary and secondary plasticizers. Apparently their secondary plasticizer would work better for keeping the worms slick in the bag. The secondary plasticizer will be absorbed only slightly by the baits, leaving the remaining plasticizer in the bag. I'll let you know how it turns out! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurizio Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 You are right, it is called DINP. What's their primary and what's the secondary plasticizer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishoey Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 They didn't say "what" it was. It is probably a trade secret. I'm sure it is a different blend of resin or plasticizer, one absorbing or curing differently than the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
