cbj11lbs Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 so im sure everyone has heard and been following the nonsense happening in maine where they now have a bill proposed to ban all soft plastics..what are everyones thoughts?? Could it lead to a national ban? whats everyone think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little man baits Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Stupid idea not because I make em but everyone and their brother uses them. What are tournament Anglers suppose to resort to. Can't use live bait 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipt Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 i fish in waters connected to maine, hopefully it doesnt apply to the border areas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Why the ban ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Some fish proctologist in Maine has his head up a bass' a$$! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dutchman Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I am taking a guess but P.E.T.A. tried to do away with lead sinkers, etc. Are they behind this? I am guessing they will take any route possible to stop fishing and hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I am taking a guess but P.E.T.A. tried to do away with lead sinkers, etc. Are they behind this? I am guessing they will take any route possible to stop fishing and hunting. My thoughts exactly. Those people will try anything. In the past everytime their name comes up sportsmen/women get their hackles up. So; if they get all that resistance with their name, why not try to get sneeky about it and do some silent lobbying like a lot of the other groups. Just like the old saying. "if the front door is locked, try the backdoor". lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsnooks Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Not just PETA, but it's all the Obamanista dems/libs who want to restore the Earth to the Garden of Eden... wait, they don't believe in the Bible..restore the Earth to the garden of errr, albert "the hutt" gore. these kinds of proposed laws need to be contended with at every turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbj11lbs Posted February 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Its serious, visit keepamericanfishing.org. the trout fishing people are behind it saying the plastics kill the native trout. sign the petition, first Maine next your state 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflp Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Not just PETA, but it's all the Obamanista dems/libs who want to restore the Earth to the Garden of Eden... wait, they don't believe in the Bible..restore the Earth to the garden of errr, albert "the hutt" gore. these kinds of proposed laws need to be contended with at every turn. Except the bill is being presented by Representative Paul Davis, who is a Republican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 How can people spend so much time and money worrying about animals when so many people are in need? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsnooks Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 bflp, so you think GOP is behind most of enviro/wacko movement in this nation?? don't know about the Repub guy you referenced, but if he's anything GOP Senator Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) ..he's really a democrat. Maine "Republicans" are very liberal...guess they are too close to Massachusetts. It may be time for a third party...not many Rubio/Ryan type reformers in GOP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 bflp, so you think GOP is behind most of enviro/wacko movement in this nation?? don't know about the Repub guy you referenced, but if he's anything GOP Senator Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) ..he's really a democrat. Maine "Republicans" are very liberal...guess they are too close to Massachusetts. It may be time for a third party...not many Rubio/Ryan type reformers in GOP. Hey, this is no place for politics............................. But as for a third party, I agree. Garthsnooks for president?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsnooks Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 AArcher...let me get this straight. We are talking about possible legislation that may effect the very future of many on this forum and you say "this is no place for politics"...whoa, nellie!!! (even though your "Garthsnooks for Prez does have a certain ring to it! But I digress..) I think we see in this nation what happens when a nation forsakes God (our leaders anyway) and falls asleep. We better become more active than we ever have been..and pray that this nation doesn't become prey for our enemies (even more than it has) Garthsnooks, fiercely independent, but also knowing God has made us to be interdependent with each other. Non-member FDIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 According to the rules for posting on this site TU is NOT the place for such topics as politics and religion. This is first and foremost a site dedicated to the discussion of building tackle and there are more than enough disagreements to go around just on that subject alone. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsnooks Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Ben. read my lips..in this case politics are at the very center of the topic of banning plastics baits via legislation, therefore politics is at the very heart of the matter, regardless of how many posts you've made on this site, that's the truth. This isn't a building tackle building issue..it's about politicians that seemingly want to undo an industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Garth I don't have to read your lips. I'm not arguing whether or not politics is at the root of this issue. Nor will I on this website. The fact remains that per the rules of this website, which I might add everyone is supposed to read before posting a question or reply on this site, discussions about such things as politics and religion are not allowed. If you don't believe me then go back and read the rules. And as far as how many posts I've made on this website that has nothing to do with the subject either. I've never made any claim that my opinion matters more than any other individual because of the number of posts I've made. I can only take that as a personal jab at me and that is why hotly contested topics such as politics, and subjects of that nature, are not allowed here at http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/index.php?app=forums&module=extras§ion=boardrules Edited February 22, 2013 by RayburnGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Guys I think this is one time and one time only that a political subject has something to do directly with TU. If this ban is put into affect then the very subject on this forum can and most likely will be considered illegal in that state. If soft plastics are banned, then of course the production of soft plastic baits will be banned. RayburnGuy, by all means I am not disagreeing with you, you yourself know how many times I have taken a stand on what TU is all about. But this decision could affect TU and its members, but I do agree with you that the forum is not a place to air all your political views. This is one time that everyone, and I mean everyone, on this forum should join together to oppose stupid politics. I dont think Jerry would've left the two threads on the subject up if he didn't think it was important and also I cant help but notice that on the soft plastic ban link there has only been 4 replys. By all means lets not make this personnal between two members, and we all need to follow the rules of this forum. It would be nice to see more replys on the soft plastic ban link where people have shown their support for such a worth while hobby, especialy when as of yet there is really no good reason been given for such actions. Political and religious point of views need to be sit aside and we all need to concentrate on the support of soft plastic baits until we are given a good and justified reason why soft plastic baits should not be used and what harms has it caused in that particular state. This should be the main focus of the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsnooks Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Mike, don't get that popcorn out..lol. Guys, i have signed and asked others to do so on another site..and would contribute to the cause, if the legislation gets further down the road. You can't stop the political aspect of this topic (and there is a spiritual component that's underlying the politics)..BECAUSE IT"S POLITICS THAT IS DRIVING THE ISSUE!! that can't be avoided. as far as the religious issue, I get that...guilty as charged. Some people are passionate about different things. Consider that part dropped. Garthsnooks (non-member FDIC) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Garth, I applaude your passion for the Lord and politics but I think this has more to do with a particular politician instead of politics as a whole. I feel that when you open up a subject and use politics or religion as points of reference, very quickly the main focus of the subject can be lost. I understand everyone's point of view on this and believe you me, mine is very similar, but personal feelings and points of view can quickly make everyone lose sight of the true problem at hand and can also get a very important thread deleted especially if we do not all stick to the subject. The causes behind the subject at this time shouldn't be focused on as much as the subject itself, which is to help do everything we can to stop the plastic ban in Maine. One of the main goals of the folks that are trying to do this is to start arguments about politics. I think everyone that has a true concern should not fall into this trap but to stay focused on preserving the rights to fish with plastic. After all, discussing politics on this forum especially is really going to do nothing. Its times like this that the focus should be aimed at the politicians with letters and E-mails from people on this type of forums that way we are always focusing on the main subject. Lets all express our passions to the folks that can do something about the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsnooks Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I hear you, CM...I've said what I've said, you guys have said what you've said, it's all good. It is a political issue to me and yes i believe "God dwells i the affairs of men". The rules of the forum are what they are, as rayburnguy said so it is what it is. Blessings to you all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflp Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Garth, I applaude your passion for the Lord and politics but I think this has more to do with a particular politician instead of politics as a whole. I feel that when you open up a subject and use politics or religion as points of reference, very quickly the main focus of the subject can be lost. I understand everyone's point of view on this and believe you me, mine is very similar, but personal feelings and points of view can quickly make everyone lose sight of the true problem at hand and can also get a very important thread deleted especially if we do not all stick to the subject. The causes behind the subject at this time shouldn't be focused on as much as the subject itself, which is to help do everything we can to stop the plastic ban in Maine. One of the main goals of the folks that are trying to do this is to start arguments about politics. I think everyone that has a true concern should not fall into this trap but to stay focused on preserving the rights to fish with plastic. After all, discussing politics on this forum especially is really going to do nothing. Its times like this that the focus should be aimed at the politicians with letters and E-mails from people on this type of forums that way we are always focusing on the main subject. Lets all express our passions to the folks that can do something about the problem. Nicely said Mike. I keep looking for news on this bill, because I read it was supposed to be discussed this week, but all the news articles online are over a week old. Not sure what the current status of the bill is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I agree with you completely Mike, but when we start calling people out, or attacking them personally because of their beliefs, then as you said the original message is lost. In my opinion the right to freedom of speech should be tempered with tolerance for others. It's also my opinion that we should stick to the subject at hand and that's what can be done to stop these bans before they are allowed to gain a foothold and thus establish a precedent in the courtrooms. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Beliefs and personal opinion and political views can make a subject like this go south real quick. Everybody has beliefs, opinions, and political views but when we start expressing them we lose track of whats important and a very worth while subject gets lost in the above, then moderaters have to make a decision as to whether or not to leave a very important thread or delete it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Hey, sorry for pointing out the political side of this. The fact is that if we allow political views to creep in, then democrats will oppose republicans, who will oppose ........ I frankly want to unite people regarding this issue - politics has never united. We still need a Third Party that can actually win. Oo ops, did I say that? I live in Washington State. We have a fishing reports site, (www.washingtonlakes.com) with various forums for this type of stuff. A couple of years ago we had issues with otherwise respected and experienced fisher (people) wondering about Power Bait. The question was is it digestible, what happens, will it hurt the fish, etc...? Power Bait then degenerated to the plastic bait type of power bait products, and then all soft plastics. After a great deal of discussion, aka argument, the subject finally died. Here are some facts that I know from experience. Yes, fish will on occasion eat soft plastic baits. I have caught trout, Lake Trout, perch and bass with plastics inside them. NEVER has the health of the fish been compromised. I have also caught each of these fish with Rocks in them (I assume from missed attempts at catching Crayfish, snails, etc.) and again, NEVER has the health of the fish been compromised. I know that trout eat the paste version of Power Bait, something that I have observed passes right through them. I know the same happens with Catfish. I know that is not part of this subject, but it is part of the overall concerns some fishermen have. Experienced fishermen have observed over and over that the digestive system of a fish is simple and durable. What they eat is either digested or it passes through them. If they cannot pass it through them, then it is so big they cannot get it in their mouths. I have actually seen hooks hanging out of the anal vent of fish with sinkers or swivels still inside, awaiting ejection. Unfortunately, we, the experienced fishermen, are not considered authorities to those that would make assumptions and then make laws. Joy to the day when laws are made for a legitimate reason, not as a result of knee jerks. I have signed the petition, have you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
