jcori3 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Guys what is the best way to store this stuff? I got some and put in a new clear mason jar. After i use it i put the lid on and crack it just enough to get the spray tip of the bloxygen in it to spray. then i close it real fast and put the lid on. I have noticed some sludge starting to show up on the sides at the top. I dipped a lure and didnt realize i got into the sludge and when i went to check on it it was basically ruined. It just had big hunks on the side. I have searched and saw some talk about a screw method. Can someone explain exactly how i do this if this is the best. As much as this stuff costs i dont want to loose what i have left. Thanks guys.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent R Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 It's called ....tapping the can....The guy you want to talk to is Ben. Goes by rayburnguy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 (edited) I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if your already noticing sludge then it won't be long until your http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/index.php?/topic/24418-another-dn-question/?hl=%22tapping+the+can%22 Edited May 2, 2013 by RayburnGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedyarb Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 I ruined a lot of lures and wasted a few bucks on DN. I can't figure out how to dip lures and not have issues with storage and clumping DN. I just scoop out the big clump every time I dip, spray in the bloc then. Storing the mason jar upside down seemed to help. Good luck, Rob Bloc is bloxygen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krash7172 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 I'm new to this also so I read a bunch before proceeding. I bought two pints assuming I would ruin the first one. I used DN for the first time 2-1/2 weeks ago. I've used it a couple of times since and no issues at all so far with storage. My 2 cents: Never open the can. Put three screws in it per the link below. Two on opposite sides of the top for vents and one near the bottom to dispense. When it's time to use, remove the top screws first and then bottom to dispense. Immediately put the bottom screw back in, spray bloxygen into one top hole for 5-10 seconds and the moist air will exit the other top hole. Put the top screws back in and invert to make sure DN coats the top screws. I put some DN on the exterior of the top screws after dipping to be safe. After dipping, discard any DN you dispensed. Use a dipping container that is only slightly larger in diameter than your lure so you don't waste much. Test dip in water to make sure you have a properly sized container. If you are dipping many lures, you might have to make adjustments. http://s171.photobucket.com/user/Krash7172/media/misc/20130501_220513-1.jpg.html One manufacturer of MCU recommends dispensing what you need and then pouring solvent on top of the MCU. It will float on top and act as a barrier until you use it next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Just curious guys?? Can anyone tell me what the solvent is for this stuff-- is it plain old 'All Purpose Thinners'?- BUT called "Dick Nite M/C Solvent", OR is it some other type of solvent??? We can't get D.N here but we can get 'single pack moisture cure' with same or better properties, BUT still has the storage problems. I might have an idea on preserving this stuff, been thinking about it for a few years now?? TIA -Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Pete, I don't know if this helps you..But it seems like Dick told me you can thin this stuff with acetone...Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 I remember that thread as well Nate. Not sure how long ago it was, but there was a discussion about spraying DN and Dick posted it could be thinned with acetone. Don't remember the ratio, but seems like he gave that as well. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 So can I use the tap can method on my next can of dn and pour into a small cup and brush it on the bait and load it up heavily and hang to dry? Hoping it will run down and smooth out like dipping would do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobv Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 So can I use the tap can method on my next can of dn and pour into a small cup and brush it on the bait and load it up heavily and hang to dry? Hoping it will run down and smooth out like dipping would do? Yes that will work. I've been using the same qt. for almost a year now with that method. Use a good quality brush that holds a good amount of finish and I go around the top and dob a bunch of finish around. Then reload brush and quickly brush down on all sides to make sure of coverage and hang to drip. Do not over brush just quick light strokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Thanks Bobv, i will try that next go around. Or i might move on and try the solarez. Are people just as happy with it as they are dn? I guess its just a personal preference. I sure like the dn. Its fairly easy and leaves a great finish but the storage is a pain. But now i hope i can take care of that with the tap can method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedyarb Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 I have tried both dn and solarez. The dn finish is much glossier than dn. But solarez is really easy to use! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 I have tried both dn and solarez. The dn finish is much glossier than dn. But solarez is really easy to use! I agree. In my opinion you can't beat the finish DN gives you, but storing it can be a hassle. Partial loss of DN due to premature curing is acceptable to some and not so much for others. The finish of Solarez can't be compared to that of a lure coated with DN, but the ease of application, and about half the price of DN, it is acceptable to others. This is one of those things where you have to make personal choices. That's why Baskin-Robbins has 31 flavors of ice cream. just my , Ben 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 What about that Garco stuff I know some were trying it out. Any results. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 I totally agree Rayburnguy. What dn i have left is still good, just a few clumps around the outside edge. I will have to just be careful and watch out next time i dip and make sure i dont get any on the lures. But like you said it leaves a really nice finish. Next can i get i will go with the tap method. Im just starting out more or less so there is a learning curve. Just trying to learn of all the mistakes not to make by reading as much as i can here on this forum. Thanks again guys for all your help. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Ravenlures, I'm using a quart of Garco MCU right now. A couple of observations: it's somewhat thicker than DN. I decanted the quart into 2 pint Ball Jars with rubber gasket lids and sprayed a wine saver aerosol into the jars. It began to develop a gelatinous skin after only a few weeks and I've had to scoop that out of the jar each time I've dipped lures. The lures look the same when finished as ones done with DN. Whether the finish penetrated the acrylic paint to form a monolithic coating like I get with DN is unknown. There are several possibilities about why the Garco began to gel. 1: It may be inherent in the Garco formulation, which probably contains less solvent than DN. 2. The wine saver aerosol contains CO2, unlike Bloxygen, and that caused the Garco to gel. 3. The Garco had been sitting in a warehouse for years before I bought it on sale for 24 bucks. "You pays your money and you takes your chances." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j27 Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Great! I have some DN on the way with a can of bloxygen hoping to just dip and store without problems.i had been putting off getting DN until I learned of this method. I didnt know that it was still an issue with the use of bloxygen. I live in S. C. and we have our share of humidity. Is it possible that this post is just a problem with application /technique of using the bloxygen or did I just waste more money? I guess it back to brushing epoxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 I've dipped and stored DN with Bloxygen for as long as 8 months with no hardening. But moisture catches up with you eventually if you dip lures. So it becomes a race: do you build enough lures fast enough that you use it up before it turns? At most, I build around a hundred bass lures a year, which a quart of DN is enough to topcoat, but I'm always left holding the bag before my quart is used up. I prefer dipping lures. You get addicted to the ease of "dip it, hang it, DONE". If I used the tap the can method of storage, I could brush DN in small amounts and it would probably last until completely used up. If you dip lures, you just have to decide whether the cost of the DN amortized over the number of lures you get out of a quart is worth it. Be that as it may, next time around I may try the tap the can method and just slop on enough DN with a brush to coat a lure quickly, then hang it for the excess to drip off. No sense being bull headed about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Thanks Nathan / Ben, acetone sounds a bit 'savage' - I'm trying to work out hoses and taps for this stuff but acetone will just about eat anything, might have to go to metal fittings. I might buy some solvent and dump all my prospective parts in it and see what happens. Thanks again. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 BobP Could we turn the can or jar over and tap from the bottom. It seems that we will seal it perfectly with a shot of bloxgen, and if we solder a valve on the top which will be the bottom, air will never reach the surface of the DN or garco, then you just open the valve when on top and give it a shot of bloxgen and turn over again. I am just starting to do some bass lures and deciding which coating I want to use, I coat my musky lures with E-tex. WAyne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 I don't think it would matter if you turned the can on its head or not, as long as you never pop the can's top open. If I understand what I have read from the posts by guys who tap the can, it may not be necessary to use Bloxygen at all. Couldn't hurt, of course, but the amount of air taken into the can while displacing the Dn dispensed only happens once and probably doesn't contain enough moisture to start the DN curing. Maybe one of you can tappers can confirm or refute this? It's too bad that nobody has come up with a plastic dispensing bag that DN would not eat through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Quote--Bob "It's too bad that nobody has come up with a plastic dispensing bag that DN would not eat through." Yep this is what I'm looking into here, I don't know if you can get them over there but I have been thinking of that 'Wine Cask' principle for a few years now, which should exclude all moisture / gas etc. After a search I believe you call it 'Box Wine' there, how crude http://www.dinkumaussies.com/INVENTION/Wine%20Cask.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_wine The question is , Who is going to risk a giant 2 litre hangover emptying the Wine Cask (Box Wine), and the potential $'s lost in maybe wasting a half pint of 'DN Clear Coat' to test weather the Polyethelene bladder can stand the rigors of DN secret solvent??? DICK?? Anyway this might get some grey mater moving, it will be interested to see what we all come up with???Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Pete - I thought ALL Aussie wine came in boxes? Hah, I know that's not true. My wife buys bottled wine with a kangaroo on the label all the time. But if you guys call those boxes "casks", I think the advertisers have had their way with you guys. At $50 a quart delivered, you won't find me experimenting with plastic bags to store DN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassrecord Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 For the life of me, I never ever considered how the wine flowed out of a box or a cask container without air getting in. I'm going to rush right out and buy one of each and test them!!! Going to need help, lots of help. Thanks. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) Before you start, plenty of vitamin 'B' John .Bob, unfortunatly over here there some very nice wines in 'Boxes' , that's probably why we call them 'Wine casks' -Except for the fact that wine is water based, that "Yellowtail" your poor wife is drinking would probably be a good thinner for D.N - You should up her allowance and get her some 'Penfolds Grange' or maybe something a bit less expensive .I'm workin on it - like that test tank??? So many experiments, so little time.Pete Edited May 8, 2013 by hazmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
