jcori3 Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Was talking with my neighbor and he does concrete staining. He asked how the lure building was going and we got to talking about it. I was discussing the dn and the storage issue i was having. He said he uses a sealer on his stain and said i could try it out. I asked him if he used it on his water based color stain and he said yes. So he brought me a sample. It smells just as bad as dn and appears to be a little thinner. I had a lure i had just finished painting with createx paints. I did the final heat set and dipped it, hung to dry. I came back in a couple hours and to my suprise it was already dry enough to touch. It came out great. I went ahead and put a second coat on. I asked him if it gels and he says no that he doesnt have a issue with storage. This stuff is called xylene (SP). It dried clear and looks great. He said it has a uv inhibitor in it since it is used on driveways out in the sun. So im thinking this might be a potential topcoat, sealer. I will post back on the final findings on it. I have three lures i dipped in it. John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Xylene Acrylic Sealer... If you contact Durock they will send technical specks about their product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Have you used this product Travis? Is it something that we might want to look into? I have dipped a lure twice now and it seems to be looking good so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Just trying out a few different things to see what works best for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Ok got two coats of this sealer on here and lure looks great, no runs, complete coverage since it was dipped. I will take it out this weekend and test it and see how it does. I am just curious to see how it holds up on rocks and crashing into stuff. I am also able to hold it after about two hours of cure. Cures a lot faster than dn for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) Not sure about the particular coating your using, but many of the topcoats that are dry to the touch are not completely cured. In other words they don't reach their desired hardness. DN for example can be handled in an hour or so depending on the temperature and humidity level, but it doesn't reach a full cure for at least several days or more. You might want to check the manufacturers website for information on cure time as it would suck to ruin a bait because it wasn't fully cured by "crashing it into stuff". just my Ben Edited May 8, 2013 by RayburnGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Yeah I pulled some stuff up on it on the Internet. It will take around 48 to 72 hours to totally cure. If you get a chance pull it up and see what you think about it. I just googled AS 3000 sealer. On the can the label says Artcreate. So far I am happy with how it looks and it didn't affect the paint at all. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 I haven't used the product yet but had looked into it briefly several years ago when looking at options for topcoats. It doesn't have any information on the hardness but may do for cranks. What does the bait do when held under water for extended period of time? Abrasion resistance impact resistance, etc... will all be the key attributes we are usually more concerned with. Of course if ease of use (and cost for many) can impact topcoat selection and can make overlooking less desirable performance characteristics. As far as looks, many products will give a good looking bait. But a good sign for an initial test. Depending on what guys are using to seal and what organics are used in sealer may be issues. The test is the performance, so will be looking forward to what happens from use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 I will take it fishing Sunday and see how it holds up to the abuse. Then I will bring it back in and submerge it in water for a couple weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 I never spent too much time looking at extended water contact. I usually ended just going overnight figuring that was far enough in excess to determine if any potential issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Ok sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 I would stay away from this stuff, while it is used outside on bricks, I don't think this would be safe in close quarters like most of us paint and top coat our lures. MSDS sheet http://artcrete1.squarespace.com/storage/catalog/msds_faux-brick_as3000_sealer.pdf There is safer top coats and sealers than this. Plus it has a low flash point. WAyne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Ok Wayne what other sealer is there besides dn that you can dip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Try Garco, Etex and other brands of epoxy, I just don't like what I see. You can even use the polyacrylics water base. Its your health so use whatever you want I am just bringing you what the MSDA sheet said. All of the top coats have some sort of a health issue just try to use the what is best for you and the lure. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 I understand Wayne, I do have a full resperator that i wear when messing with the top coats. I used to paint a long time ago and still have my gear. Just fi figured i would try it on a few lures to see how it was since i had here and it was available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Well then go for it and be safe. The older I get the more careful I get. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I appreciate that Wayne, I have all the ventilation fans and gear and so fourth. The two lures i dipped look awsome. Sunday i will go out and test them. Will let yall know how this turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Went out this morning and did some bass fishing.. Couldnt be more happy with that new top coat i am using. I ran my cranks on the bottom, over rocks and fished with them only. They did very well. So much happier with that new sealer than the dn. Dont get me wrong dn is a great product but with the storage problems its just not for me. I can use this sealer till its all gone and dont loose any. So far so good. I also took a crank and weighted it down under water for a day and no effect on the high gloss shine. Looks just as good as it did when i dipped it. Will report back as i use them more. Also one thing i have noticed is that i havnt had any paint wrinkles with this new sealer. Every now and then i would get a little wrinkling using the dn. Dont know if i didnt heat set correctly or not but so far no issues with that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Mac Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Can you attach a link to the product you are using. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Mac Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 ??? Am I missing something obvious? I tried google searching xylene (sp) but did not find a specific brand, let alone a sealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 A-Mac, sorry i havnt been able to get on here lately. Go to www.artcrete.com. It is the AS3000. That is what i got off the five gallon pale at my neighbor's house. Hope this helps. If i remember right he said it was around 150.00 for the 5 gallon pale. They have a number on their website you can call and see if they will send a sample and maybe offer it in a gallon jug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Mac Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 cool thanks. Always wanting to try something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Still using this new sealer as a topcoat. Seems to be really holding up well. I have fished with some cranks for several outings now and they look just as good as when dipped. I have mainly gone to using it all the time unless i put glitter on and then i just been using d2t. Will post more as i go along on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sallystrothers Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 ??? Am I missing something obvious? I tried google searching xylene (sp) but did not find a specific brand, let alone a sealer. Xylene is the name of the solvent that the product is dissolved in, you probably need the rest of the name to find the brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcori3 Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Correct, the product is as3000 sold at artcrete.com. That is what I got off the 6 gallon pale of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
