Bagley Foiled Baits And Color Matching

[vabassen02]

OK Guys , I have been looking for the foil that matches the Bagley baits , No luck so far . I have been  using foil that is used on the bottom of cakes but it does not have the markings like the Bagley , Any help on where to located it would be great .

 

Another question , You can see thru the paint of a Bagley to the foil , tell me if i am wrong but looks to me like they clear coat the bait and then paint it , is this right ? Do they use a special paint ? The reason for the questions is , I have a few old ones that I need help and having problems......

 

Thanks again fellas ,,,, I always know ya'll can help

 

 

Looking for the Royal blue and yellow /green side colors .

 

Thanks,

[BobP]

The only foil I use is Venture Brite-Bak foil, which is a thin but strong foil designed for stained glass artists.  Why?  It has a strong adhesive backing and is the most trouble-free foil.  As to design, most foils are put on the bait and THEN textured to represent a scale pattern.  Many of us use a knurled tool handle for texturing.  I usually use the little knurled knob from some Vise-Grip pliers.

 

There are different schools of thought about painting over foil.  Some guys like to clearcoat the bait over the foil, paint, then re-clearcoat the bait.  This is the safest method because you can easily wash off the paint if you goof it up.  I usually just apply paint directly to the raw foil.  Acrylic latex paints from Createx and many other companies come in two versions:  opaque and transparent.  use the transparent to maintain the foil's reflectivity.  You can either custom mix the colors you need from the basic Createx palette, or just spray one color over another to blend the colors.  Hope this helps.

[A-Mac]

The only foil I use is Venture Brite-Bak foil, which is a thin but strong foil designed for stained glass artists.  Why?  It has a strong adhesive backing and is the most trouble-free foil.  As to design, most foils are put on the bait and THEN textured to represent a scale pattern.  Many of us use a knurled tool handle for texturing.  I usually use the little knurled knob from some Vise-Grip pliers.

 

There are different schools of thought about painting over foil.  Some guys like to clearcoat the bait over the foil, paint, then re-clearcoat the bait.  This is the safest method because you can easily wash off the paint if you goof it up.  I usually just apply paint directly to the raw foil.  Acrylic latex paints from Createx and many other companies come in two versions:  opaque and transparent.  use the transparent to maintain the foil's reflectivity.  You can either custom mix the colors you need from the basic Createx palette, or just spray one color over another to blend the colors.  Hope this helps.

A tool finish works great on a wood lure, but how do you apply a texture to a resin or hard plastic lure?

[Lincoya]

The only foil I use is Venture Brite-Bak foil, which is a thin but strong foil designed for stained glass artists.  Why? 

 

Because BobP is getting kickbacks from Brite-Bak apparently.

[bluetickhound]

Because BobP is getting kickbacks from Brite-Bak apparently.

Not that there's anything wrong with that!!!

[BobP]

WooHoo! my quarterly check from Brite-Bak just arrived!  I'm not saying it's the epitome of crankbait foil but it's hard to beat for convenience.  Peel-and-stick has it all over anything that requires me holding a glue bottle to get the job done.

 

I've tooled foil on hard lures the same way as on wood.  The foil is soft enough to show a pattern if you tool it after it's applied though it will not be as distinct as on a wood lure.  That doesn't mean there aren't other ways of doing it.  You can tool foil and then apply it but you have to be careful not to burnish out the pattern while smoothing it down, which can be difficult with adhesive foil.  It might be better to use a non-adhesive foil to preserve the pattern.  It just depends on how much fiddling you want to do.  YouTube has a video of a Japanese artist texturing foil by inscribing each line of a scale pattern on foil before gluing it on his lure.  Beautiful effect but I can't conceive of taking the time to do that, nor do I have the skill, nor do I think the bass will care.

[vabassen02]

Thanks guys for all the tips , will give that foil a try . How do y'all measure the foil to fit on half the bait ? I been trying putting glue on the place foil down , place in a sealer bag .....

I have a few foiled baits that I have to strip the paint but not mess up the foil , any ideas on this?

Thanks

[BobP]

With adhesive foil, I lay the lure on the peel-off backing, trace the lure, then cut it out.  Guys who use gold leaf apply the glue, stick on the foil and remove the excess with a brush.  You have to adapt your method to the type of foil you are using.

 

Sorry, I can't help you on how to partially remove finish - I usually find it's everything or nothing.  For me, it's almost always better to add new finish on the top of the old on a balsa bait.  If you try to remove finish and get down to raw balsa in one spot, it's almost impossible to do a spot repair.  I've never had any luck with chemical paint removers on crankbaits.  I've sometimes tried to torch the finish off the whole lure and start from scratch.  It's very quick to do.  But If the lure has a flammable undercoating (many wood lure makers used a thick solvent based "build layer" on top of the raw wood), it will burst into flame and you'll be left holding a cinder with a melted lip that used to be a crankbait.  So if the lure is important to you, I wouldn't try it.     

Edited May 26, 2013 by BobP

[2TBone]

Guys

I would like to bring this back up for help. I know the foil BobP is talking about I too have been searching for some myself. I have a friend that made jerk baits years ago and he had the exact foil that the bagleys used on their baits. He said he got it from a florist shop. When he said that I remembered that was the foil that they wrapped flower pots with. The problem is I have stopped at flower shops all over the country and no one has it. Can anyone help with this new information.

 

Thanks

2TBone

[benton B]

try candy foil wrappers, very thin stuff and comes in multiple colors/ sizes.