Bass4Me Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) I want to make some super floating snakes as long as 18 inches but the micro bubbles are very, very difficult to use. Nothing can be around you to cause the bubbles to get airborn like a fan, air conditioning/heater fans etc. I am aware the plastic floats with a light wire or small normal hook, I'm talking about making snakes that need 5/0 & 6/0 heavy duty hooks with braid line to haul the bass out of heavy lilly pads and thick grass.. Would this idea work? I have thought about using a larger eye dropper to add the micro bubbles to the plastic First thing: add plastic and extra color to cup. then place the eye dropper slowly into the bottle of bubbles, then gently suck up the bubbles, Next place the dropper deep into the plastic filled cup and slowly squeeze in the bubbles, then mix your plastic, color and bubbles together. Extra color should be used as I recall reading the the bubbles will make the bait a lighter color than planned. I hope this method will lessen the risk of air born bubbles getting inhaled. Let me know what you pros think and has anyone tried this before. Edited July 1, 2013 by Bass4Me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gone2long Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I've read guys will mix the micro balloons in raw plastisol to make a mix then add as needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutSupport.com Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I turn off the fan, put on the mask. Measure and dump. Then close the lid over the plastisol and let the bubbles soak it up before heating it. I like the idea of pre loading the bubbles with plastisol as well. But i'm only working in prototype size applications so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 You need alot of microballons per oz of plastic. Aso need softener and baits come out weak and tear easy. ....Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflp Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I agree with Bill. I tried micro balloons in plastisol for the first time recently. I put a fair amount in medium plastisol(about 3/4 oz in 2 oz of plastic). It won't float a 4/0 hook, and the plastic is really weak, tears easily. Colors were really faded out too. I wasn't really happy with the results. There was a bait brand (Elaztech?) Advertising that their bait floats a hook, anyone know how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakeside Molds Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 M-F Manufacturing makes a floating additive. Haven't used it, but I've heard it works well. Check out this website as well. http://www.floatworm.weebly.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Elaztech and strike king 3x are not plastic. Totally different material that I read wont work in our molds. Silicone based I think. Two part mixes with a chemical reaction to cure like epoxy or resins. This might be what it is http://www.smooth-on.com/Silicone-Rubber-an/c2_1115_1129/index.html ...Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflp Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 Interesting. Explains why I had one melt away when placed next to other plastic. Does anyone have any experience with MF's floating additive? Is it liquid or powder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy5099 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Hi, That web site www.floatworm.weebly.com has 7" worms and they are float real high with a 3/0 hook. This guy that pours them mix the right floating bubbers with plastic and he has it done pat. They do not tear no diffnert then any other worms on the market today. You might get 2 or 3 fish less on he's floating worms but they do catch a lot of fish. I should know :-) By the way you better wear a mask when you mix those bubbers with the plastic or you will be sick later in life. Make sure you wear a mask and eye wear also. It can get into your eyes also. By the way at that guys site he has free shipping on all lures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 We will try adding this to liquid before next week is up, its not a user friendly material in the powder. I think a company that went out of business did this so I will try for you and get back. Probably sample it in a 1/2 pint and should not be a problem so there is shaking room (no guarantee it will work yet). I will send the first couple of guys up top if you will e-mail me @ no charge so you can test it in your application and pass your 2 cents here, see if its worth messing with???? Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Just a dumb question...could you add worm oil to the micro bubbles, so they won't float around in space, and then add that to the plastisol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Yes Sir, I will try lube and softener to see what soaks it up the best, never messed with it. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lure-solutions Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Hi guys Checkout this video on the progress lure-solutions have made for floating liquid soft plastic bait lures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Hi guys Checkout this video on the progress lure-solutions have made for floating liquid soft plastic bait lures Does that plastisol turn clear when it's cooked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon P. Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Here is an idea I've toyed with, but never tried; get a foaming soap dispenser and fill it with your plastic of choice (in liquid form of course) then pump it out of the foaming soap dispenser and into an injection mold syringe and from there to your mold. When the baits come out they should have about the same consistency of a sponge. Now dip your baits into a bucket of non foamy plastic to give it a protective coating. In theory this should work, but I haven't used soft plastics very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I put a couple cups of raw plastisol in a mayo jar and added microballons. I add softener when I use it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I put a couple cups of raw plastisol in a mayo jar and added microballons. I add softener when I use it Is that how you made the white craw in your video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 White craw is regular medium Baitjunkys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 This is with micro ballons. I added ALOT of black and still kinda grey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 I whipped the hot plastisol with a hand whisk (kitchen type whisk) and got some really high floating baits. It is a PITA, and possibly not scalable for production, but the old Creme Devil's Tongue is made in a similar manner with actual air bubbles imbedded in the plastic. Obviously, hot plastic is hot, so no exposed skin. The trick is finding the right temperature... to hot, and the bubbles rise to the top and burst, and to cold, the plastic won't pour or shoot properly. You whip it. Whip it good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon P. Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 I whipped the hot plastisol with a hand whisk (kitchen type whisk) and got some really high floating baits. It is a PITA, and possibly not scalable for production, but the old Creme Devil's Tongue is made in a similar manner with actual air bubbles imbedded in the plastic. Obviously, hot plastic is hot, so no exposed skin. The trick is finding the right temperature... to hot, and the bubbles rise to the top and burst, and to cold, the plastic won't pour or shoot properly. You whip it. Whip it good. This is a very similar idea to my idea of forcing the plastisol through a foaming soap pump, which do you think would be more effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 You whip it. Whip it good. CRACK that whip!! Now I've got that stupid song on my mind. LOL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 This is a very similar idea to my idea of forcing the plastisol through a foaming soap pump, which do you think would be more effective? Dunno... try both, let me know! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 I Still have the can marked liquid micro bubbles I never tried, I think it was back when our building caved in and didn't get to it. I think I will add xx gallons of liquid in a 5 gallon bucket and top it off with floating additive, in my head it will be approx like pouring our hardener not the paste hardener. More like honey at the worst thickness and hardener at the best. Not sure what to really price it at except material and time. Anyone really need this done? I'm not guaranteeing other than I can make it happen the rest will be trial and error... jeff@mf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Anyone interested liquid floating additive? Pints only... Thanks Jeff@mf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
