littleriver Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Hello , I have been using this product for a couple years now. Feel safe in recommending it to others. it was recommend to me by another local builder. I have to say, as epoxies go, it is pretty good. The learning curve for epoxies like etex is a bit long but I believe is worth the effort if you like this type of topcoat. I use the product for bill and hook hanger installation too. This product is not for those in a hurry but if your patient, the results are great. A lure turner is a must but the cleanup is easy with alcohol. Here is a link to the product. http://www.uscomposites.com/kk121.html I bought the 2 quarts and after two years of using this product exclusively ( besides the occasional exception of trying something new) on over a couple hundred baits, I still have over half of it left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleriver Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Sharing a picture of a test I conducted some time ago comparing devcon2ton to this epoxy. I wanted to see if one darkened faster than another when exposed to the sun. Here is the photo In all fairness there can be a noticeable difference in color of devcon depending on it's freshness. However after using both products, I believe this tabletops best attribute is durability and cost but requires a turner and time consuming . Devcon is simple, fast and readily available but expensive and not as durable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleriver Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Nearly forgot, Tabletop is the clear one on the left; Devcon is on the right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodieb8 Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 cheeper then etex. in canada its 30 a quart before tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleriver Posted August 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Cost and value are two of this products strongest points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeeter Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Do you apply it the same as Devcon? Will one coat do? And you say that it is more durable? Sounds like a winner to me. Skeeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleriver Posted September 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Skeeter I apply with with a really cheap small artist brushes. Just like the ones found in these sets at dollar tree. A tip handed to me via Gene. Thank you! http://www.dollartree.com/household/arts-and-crafts/painting/Crafter-rsquo-s-Square-6-Color-Paint-Pallets/500c565c866p336948/index.pro?method=search I reuse the brush over and over. Clean with alcohol and store in a mason jar with an inch of alcohol covering bristles. Much like a comb in barber shops used to be stored. Ready to go for the next customer. One coat will do . Just have to be sure bait is completely covered well. A good light is a must and in my case reading glasses help. It is thicker than devcon but keeping it warm goes a long way. 70F . Should you want it thinner , isopropyl alcohol 91 percent does a good job. Use same for cleaning and may be found at walmart. There is ample working time with this product , unlike devcon, so best to go slow and don't rush. I let it sit a couple minutes after mixing to let bubble surface then just pop them with breath. A good blow on the bait as well after coating helps with any missed air bubbles. All my most recent baits in gallery are one coat. It is more durable than devcon . Where devcon can and will crack, this product is hard but flexible at the same time. It does get harder in heat. A heated enviroment will make curing go faster. Without heat expect 5hr on wheel and 10 hr to touch min. Heat will greatly shorten this time. This is a thick product and that can be a drawback on some baits if your not wanting to add to bait weight. But I would say this makes an excellent topcoat for most situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnart Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 If heat helps it cure faster can you heat it up slightly after you apply it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnart Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Let me ask you this, I work in my basement which is probably cooler than room temps if you know what I mean. The temp is not controlled down there like the rest of the house. It's not cold, but cooler. Do you think this is too cool to use this product? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleriver Posted September 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Good question I keep mine in the basement too. Summertime is no problem but in winter it is a problem. To overcome the problem, I work in a small room in the basement. When I know I will be top coating, I turn on a small heater to heat the room. I also keep the bulk of the product upstairs in the temperature controlled part of the house during this time of year. This makes refilling my mixing syringe easier and the product is always ready to use. The syringe i use to mix the tabletop is an old devcon 2ton syringe. I simply cleaned out the unused devcon and refilled it with the tabletop. Perfect mix every time no matter how big or small. Perfect for my small projects. It can get a bit messy refilling but not too hard and much easier and less expensive than a trip to the store to buy more devcon. The hardest part is open the syringe when it is empty. I use a flatjhead scewdriver to start the process. Once it is fully extended again a twisting pull is required to remove the plunger. The product cures best in a warm enviroment so if it is cold a heat is a must in one form or another. I know more than you asked for but thought it might be of interest to know more of the process I use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleriver Posted September 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 The answer to your first question is "yes" . Add heat at any point in the curing process and it will shorten any curing left to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I know nothing about the top coat Vic mentions here, but do know that some epoxies claim they MUST be cured above 70 degrees Fahrenheit. Bob Smith is one of these. It wouldn't hurt to read the application guides posted on any particular product your using. good luck, Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleriver Posted September 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I know nothing about the top coat Vic mentions here, but do know that some epoxies claim they MUST be cured above 70 degrees Fahrenheit. Bob Smith is one of these. It wouldn't hurt to read the application guides posted on any particular product your using. good luck, Ben Ben is right on the money on this one. About half way down on the link provided is a big red warning on cold weather usage with this product. It pays to read the directions............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnart Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Yeah I read all of the red part but I guess I was wondering if there was a difference in cool vs. cold. I was just wondering if anyone on here that's used it used it in a cool basement and what they experienced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 "Cool" and "cold" might not mean the same thing to everyone. What is "cold" to someone might leave another person uncomfortably warm. That's why manufacturers use specific temps. in their application guides. If their guide says their epoxy needs to be cured at 70 degrees or above will it cure in 60 degree temps? Probably. Will it cure to it's maximum potential? Probably not. Then we get into a " what's good enough" type deal. If a "cool" basement is your only alternative then you might try a small space heater positioned in such a way as to bring the area where your epoxy is curing up to more optimum temps. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnart Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Yeah, that's what I was getting at. I think I'll have to give this stuff a try... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleriver Posted September 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 @fishnart If you decide to give a try, don't hesitate to send me a pm if you have questions. I have seen your work and it deserves a really good coating . I think you'll like it but everyones tastes and needs are different. Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnart Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Thank you so much Vic, thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassAboveThe49th Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 @littleriver, the moisture cure top coat by Dick Nite is the epoxy you were talking about right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleriver Posted October 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 @BassAboveThe49th Nothing in this thread is in reference to Dick Nite product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassAboveThe49th Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Oops, OK then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 @littleriver, the moisture cure top coat by Dick Nite is the epoxy you were talking about right? And just for the record Dick Nites top coat is not an epoxy. It is a moisture cured urethane. Ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
