timbass Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Hey folks, Have any of you tried the illusion powder paints from fishingskirts.com. I am just getting into powder coating and have tried some of the pro-tec, spike it and a few from commercial powder coating suppliers. I am pretty happy with some of the combos I can create, but I am intrigued by the layering and texture that the illusion paints look like they make. I know you have to use the white base coat, but do you have to use the top coats they sell or will any colors you have work. I assume they wont because if my assumption is correct the top coat looks like a thinner "dye" that colors the white layer, but doesn't cover up the black spots. Anyhow, I was wondering if anyone uses it, is it worth the money and easy to get the desired results? If it is not worth it or if it is difficult to achieve the desired effect are there any good insights for beginners for how to create the layered or textured appearances these paints are supposed to get? Thanks for any advise you may have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 First of all you don't need a white base coat, you need the silver and black "foundation", and what you really have is a veined paint like Columbia coatings sells. Once you have that then a transparent color goes over top like one of the pro-tec candy colors. The only difference is the veins are larger on the jig armor brand but I have done this using Columbia coatings silve vein and pro-tec candy red and orange and got the same results but the veins on the Columbia coatings are much tighter so there is less black so I am tempted to try the jig armor but they want a little too much for powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBehr Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I ordered some of the Jig Armor Illusion colors on Friday....I'll let you know by the end of the week how well it worked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloomisman Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I've tried some of it. I could not get the blues and purples to work real good. I could not get the over coat thin enough. I'm not sure on the brighter colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbass Posted November 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Ok cool, so the overcoat works will the candy coats from other companies also, that is great to know. Thank you for making sure Smalljaw that I get the correct foundation. Dabehr, if it is not too much trouble can you post a picture of two of what results you are getting? Thank You all for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBehr Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I got my order in the mail today (boy was that fast!)....I won't have time to give it a test until Saturday morning and I'll post a pic then. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbass Posted November 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Sounds like great customer service DaBehr. That would be great if you could post a pic and maybe any observations about using the stuff would be really helpful. I really like the look of the stuff, but have seen a few pics around the internet that were of really poor results. I am hoping for the best because I would like to get some myself. -Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBehr Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I got a chance to make up 4 Arkie jig and a test on the powder paint and had mixed results. The Black/blue came out really nice. I bit darker that I expected, but really nice. I'll need a sunny day to get a good picture, but I would give it 4.5 out of 5 stars. The watermelon was a bust. It completely covered up the jig. I suspect I used too much powder paint and I'll try it next time using the fluid bed and putting on a really light coat. I'll probably give them a call for a little coaching! I'll check back in when I get a chance to make up some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbass Posted November 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Hey Thanks for the heads up. I am going to go ahead and try the blk/blue and blk/purple and hopefully they will turn out nice like your blk/blue did. That is a little surprising that the watermelon didn't turn out. I would think the blue would be darker and cover up the black, but that's clearly not the case. I will try the fluid bed or maybe just dip a small art paint brush in the paint and blow it across the jig a little bit at a time. I have done this with accent colors before and seems to coat more evenly than holding the jig below the brush and tapping the paint off of the brush onto it. That usually just drops a "clump" of paint onto one spot where blowing it off the brush really spreads it out. It does lead to a little more waste though. I will try it all and see what happens and I will post a pic. Thanks! -Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBehr Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 I suspect your right. The second color just needs to barely cover up the silver..and the black parts will push through. Like everything...you have to learn the right technique ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasilofchrisn Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 I wonder how it would work using the powder paint airbrush for the top coat? The powder paint airbrush also wastes a lot of paint so that would add to the cost per jig. If it wasn't so darn expensive I might give it a try for some of my saltwater jigs but for those I need 6oz of paint just to fill the fluid bed cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlarson64 Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Are you baking the jigs after you put 1 st coat on before you add color?? I bake mine for 15 mins then apply color?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Kasilofchrisin I built a small paint booth and I recover over 99% of the paint when I use my spray gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasilofchrisn Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Kasilofchrisin I built a small paint booth and I recover over 99% of the paint when I use my spray gun. I use a box with a shop vac hose in it and do recover some of the paint. My issue is that usually I don't do enough spraying of one color before switching. So I will do 3 jigs with blue then switch to green for 2 or 3 jigs then switch to the chrome for 5 or 6 etc. etc. So dumping the paint out of the box after just three jigs is a pain. I do use the powder paint airbrush on many of my jigs usually the bigger saltwater ones. But looking at the cost of these illusion paints I am not convinced it is worth it for that price. Usually a few of one color is all I need. I don't usually need to spray 50 jigs with blue accents at a time then do 50 jigs with Green etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 When I have small runs like that or I do multi-color jigs I just let it all mix together and call it my kitchen sink color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 When I have small runs like that or I do multi-color jigs I just let it all mix together and call it my kitchen sink color. I do the same thing!!!! I don't use a shop vac, what I have is a box from a pair of work boots, I took a couple of heavy duty staples and put them in on the back of my little spray booth. From those staples I wrapped some wire around and now I have a spot to hang plastic walmart bags to catch the powder. I'll see what, and how many colors I'm going to do and I'll have a bag for them, so if I'm doing 20 spinnerbaits and all will have a white belly, well I'll do the white belly on all of them and the over spray will collect in the plastic bag and then hang another bag for the next color. What is nice about the bags is they are wide and when the powder hits it just falls to the bottom of the bag, it makes reclaiming the over spray easy. I also don't get much over spray, I adjust my compressor and pulse the spray gun instead of continuous spraying and the real over spray comes from misting color by using higher air pressure and holding the bait further away, it allows you to put a real fine coat like blue over pearl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasilofchrisn Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 I do the same thing!!!! I don't use a shop vac, what I have is a box from a pair of work boots, I took a couple of heavy duty staples and put them in on the back of my little spray booth. From those staples I wrapped some wire around and now I have a spot to hang plastic walmart bags to catch the powder. I'll see what, and how many colors I'm going to do and I'll have a bag for them, so if I'm doing 20 spinnerbaits and all will have a white belly, well I'll do the white belly on all of them and the over spray will collect in the plastic bag and then hang another bag for the next color. What is nice about the bags is they are wide and when the powder hits it just falls to the bottom of the bag, it makes reclaiming the over spray easy. I also don't get much over spray, I adjust my compressor and pulse the spray gun instead of continuous spraying and the real over spray comes from misting color by using higher air pressure and holding the bait further away, it allows you to put a real fine coat like blue over pearl. Thanks for the ideas. I use a boot box and have the vac hose in the corner just to collect excess dust. Most of it does fall into the box. I do some really long saltwater slab type jigs so I may have to play around with the bag idea to make it work for me. Like I said the illusion paints look cool I just don't like the price for the size jigs I make it would be quite expensive. But If i do ever try it the powder paint airbrush might work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
