RiverMan Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 I have been using a spray adhesive and regular ole Elmers to secure photo shots to the lures and not happy with either of them. Neither of these products produces a permanent bond and this concerns me. I could of course use epoxy to secure it but that's too much work. Wondering if any of you have suggestions. Thx. Jed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coley Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 I don't understand what you mean by permanent?? I use Titebond Dark, waterbased glue. I think the clearcoat is what makes it permanent. I don't think there is any photo paper available that won't absorb water if exposed. Coley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mylures Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Hey Coley, be careful as to what type of glue you recommend. Its kind of a sticky subject if you know what I mean. Ha Ha. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverMan Posted June 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 When I say "permanent" Coley I mean I don't want the stencil to pull loose from the wood once I glue it. The clearcoat is only as good as the layer underneath it. If the paint or photo finish isn't secured completely then the clearcoat will not be secured either...follow me? Is Titebond a trade name like Elmers? I don't recall seeing the stuff. Is it similar to say Gorilla glue? Ken, Is it just me or do I detect some kind of "bond" between you and Coley? lol. jed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Hey Jed, Maybe I'm missing something here.....Why don't you print your copies of fish onto decal paper?....(like the stuff they put decals on models etc)It's thin,lays over countours well,and when dry stays put. I haven't tried any photo finish lures yet( I want to,but haven't gotten to it yet!!)but have used decal paper for logos on lures and it works great!!..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverMan Posted June 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Yea I do need to try it Nathan haven't done so yet, will see if I can find some. Thx. Jed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coley Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Ken, stay out of this!! Titebond is about the same as elmers wood glue. It sands nice and makes it easy to feather the edges. OK, after you glue your foto onto the wood, before any painting is done, give the entire bait a coat of Devcon 2 Ton. Then sand it down, do your painting and then another coat of Devcon 2 Ton. This is as much protection as you can get. The beauty of this is, if you screw up your paint job, you can wash it off and start over. Anything that gets through two coats of Devcon 2 Ton is going to damage the bait beyond use anyway. Ken is trying to keep the Civil War going. Coley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Jed, Check out www.Micromark.com They carry the decal paper.They have a online catalog,but I suggest you send off for one(free),they have a ton of stuff you'll find useful..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Brush Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Jed, Water slide decals = no glue and they are so thin they mold themselves to the shape of the lure. Nathan, MicroMark has got some awesome stuff but I found a better deal on water slide decals. http://www.decalpaper.com/inkjet.html Tight lines, Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Thanks Shawn, Those prices are better!!..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Shawn- Watere slide decal? I went to the site and did not see this. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redg8r Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Ive had recent success with the decal paper, its surprisingly easy to apply. Nathan sent me a bait with my logo on it & I had to try it, it works pretty good. I made some personal baits with my favorite sports logos on them & only had one mess up out of a couple dozen baits. if you go with glue, stay away from the gorilla glue you mentioned. its a great adhesive, but it "foams" & expands, not a good idea for appearance. good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrydabassman Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 I tried it once with the decal paper. That thing slides all over the place and I found it dificult to get around the edges smooth...they tended to wrinkle in places. Should I cut small V's into the edges? I also found the Krylon "Workable Fixatif|1306" at Wal Mart. Mircro Mark sells it for a higher price and their number is "1306A", so I don't know if there's a difference in it or not...but this stuff worked just fine. Probably just need more experience with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redg8r Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 I also found the Krylon "Workable Fixatif|1306" at Wal Mart. is this material flexible? eg. stretchable? can you run it thru a printer? I agree that the decal film will wrinkle over curved shapes (like most films eg; foil, tapes etc.) a good tip is to use 2 decals, 1 for each side & blend your decal with paint at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverMan Posted June 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Coley, Your description is EXACTLY what I have been doing, to the tee. I have made several dozen baits in this way. The other day tho I decided to pull on the paper stencil once the glue had dried, bad idea,....it peeled off!!! Now the whole thing has me nervous as I see the clearcoat only being as strong as the bond between the stencil and wood....maybe I am just paranoid. Jerry, Nathan What is decal paper? I am assuming this stuff is already sticky, yes? Jed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Brush Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Tally, all the decal paper on that website is water slide decals. Jed, There is a thin urethane film on 1 side of the decal paper. It comes in clear or white. When it comes out of your printer you seal it with a clear coat of krylon clear to lock the colors in. When thats dry cut out the decal and soak it in water until it loosens from the decal paper. The decal will slide off the paper on to the lure. Tight lines, Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redg8r Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Yup, just like the ones used with model cars & such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverMan Posted June 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Interesting, so after being in the water it is sticky enough to hold on to the wood? I can see how it would grab plastic model but it seems it would have difficulty holding on wood. Thx. Jed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Jed, The decal is never really sticky,when you have the decal in place blot the extra water up on and around the decal.As the decal dries,it dries to the wood,etc....Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverMan Posted June 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Alright Nathan, cool, thx. I want to try it. Jed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
