Vandy Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Has anyone ever had a problem with short shank trebles and hook up percentages? I have never used them am just wondering if the shorter shank would decrease the amount of hook available to the fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodieb8 Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 on larger musky cranks we do prefer longer shank hooks. hook ups seem better.. on many plastic walleye lures we preferred round bend hooks.. normal distance of a treble fron tine to tine should be the width of the belly of the bait.... that's been our stand on lures . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) I like them because they let me go to one size larger without hooks getting tangled. But I like round bends for jerkbaits because they get slapped a lot. Edited January 2, 2014 by mark poulson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrybait Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I use them on my crankbaits because it helps the baits come thru all the cover better. Thru wood, tules, and weeds, and those great squarebills come on thru clean until a bass tries to kill 'em. Hook up ratios have been good and very few fish come off after hooked if you're using a good crankbait rod that you can load up with a deep bend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I agree with Mark - sizing trebles so they don't foul together or on the bait's lip is a big deal for me. Used to be that the only short shanks I could find were the VMC's which were decent round bend trebles but not good at keeping sharp. Then the KVD Mustads came out and I thought they were better but am not a fan of trebles with inward-pointing tines, for the reason that Mark cites. It isn't just jerkbaits that get slapped at by bass. Gamakatsu has recently come out with a short shank round bend treble that I think is the best available. As far as upsizing trebles to get better hook-ups, I'm of two minds. Some guys do it as a matter of course on every bait they have, but I feel that on average size bass baits, bigger hooks = more weight which can alter the action of a bait. So you have to be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Take a pair of pliers and ever so slighty open up those kvds, this makes them deadly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Thanks for the replies. I would just try them out myself but it looks like its gonna be a long winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Take a pair of pliers and ever so slighty open up those kvds, this makes them deadly! You're right, but be careful and go slow. Those KVD hooks will break if you try to tweak them too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basstriker Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I agree with Mark as well, the idea is to get the biggest hook without them fouling together. You can also change our factory split rings sizes to help some as well. I know a friend of mine will put a bigger treble on the rear of his cranks to improve hookups or add a second split ring. There are a few things you can do but like BobP stated you also have to pay attention to the action of the lure and how your affecting it. Personally I run the KVD short shank trebles and the owner hyper wire split rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Mac Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I love the short shank hooks. This does allow for upgrade in size, but you have to be careful with that. Even on the KVD squarebills, upgrading just 1 hook size changes the action. Also, if you feel the need to upgrade without loosing action, the belly hook seems to be the one to change. The larger hook on the rear can create too much drag; therefore reducing the action. FYI Bassstriker, check out SouthBends split rings. The #2 and #3 rings blow the hyperwires (and everything else I've used) out of the water. They don't really advertise the strength on them, but you can easily tell how much stronger they are just when putting them on. They are much much cheaper too. I'm not sure what SB does to them, but they are tough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basstriker Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Thanks A-mac I'll have to check out their split rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 A larger hook or a feathered rear treble will damp down the action on a crank, but that's not always a bad thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
