Jmarsh Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I have been thinking about it, but not exactly sure how to execute it with this setup. I would say some kind I wire that is either fixed into the wood or bent with the hook, but I'm not sure what strength of wire is strong enough to keep out weeds but week enough to bend when a fish hits it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 A single hook works fine but if you do want a double hook I found that the current "Frog Hooks " are a little large for this design. If you do want to use a double hook LPO or Jann's that craft has a good selection of double hooks in their various sizes. The hook will remain facing up because of how it is attached to the rigid tube at the rear with the flexable tubing. If you want it even more weedless you could attach a hitchhiker to the back of the bait and run a small rubber band from it to the hook Barb or a thin rubber worm...see attached terrible sketch... Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I've been thinking about either a fiber weed guard epoxied into the top of the lure, a wire affixed to the shaft of the hook or the solution Nathan explained. I'm leaning toward Nathan's solution with rubber worms only because it's seems the simplest. I think I'm going to install corkscrew wires on the back corners so I can put on some worms or grubs for frog legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Another option is to do away with the " Tube" option altogether.You would use two worm hooks on each side of the bait at the rear and use grubs Texas rigged for your legs..they would be weedless and cause a little commotion in open water...Again excuse the poor art work..lol..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmarsh Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Nathan, I like your texas rigged idea. Maybe on my next bait I will try using two single hooks on either side and texas rig it rather than the using the frog hooks that I am currently working with. On this one it may just come down to leaving it as is for this first one. Being as though it is a proto anyways its meant to get poked and prodded and changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Nathan, I like that idea. Hmmm. I have a question about the material to use. I'm really thinking about using PVC, do you see any problem using PVC and twisted wire eye screws? What would you use to secure them, pvc epoxy putty, normal epoxy, superglue?? Also, would you have the worm hooks embedded into the bait or attached via split ring to the eye screw so they could "flop around?" I would love to attach via split ring so I could change them out but would that decrease the hook up ratio? Edited January 10, 2014 by FrogAddict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Check out this link. http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gone-fishin%E2%80%99/2012/07/revere-maxx-fishing-rex-rip-lure-breaks-convention-and-catches-fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmarsh Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Interesting article Frog. That seems to be exactly what Nathan was leading towards. Funny that it has already been done, and none of us had never seen it before. Guess I have to carve another frog body and try this new design out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I just got some PVC at the local box store and I'll be carving another frogas well. I ended up getting some quarter round and I'll be attaching 4 pieces together to make one round body, then carve from there I know azek is the preferred pvc I just didn't have time to run across town to the local dealer.. That type of frog style seems pretty simple to make and I like that you can swap out the hooks so I'm gonna try it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Yep..that link is similar to what I was talking about....except with mine there would be no top or bottom...both the lower and top half would be painted like the belly of a frog...mount the eyes on the side of the bait and your eye screws in the center of the side...that way when it landed it always landed correctly. I think the PVC should work great along with your home made eye screws but epoxy them in.... Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I get you. The top of the frog is for the fisherman anyway. The fish only sees the belly anyway. That way a person doesn't have to worry to much about ballast but I do have a question regarding ballast. What do you use to fill in the hole on a pvc bait? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 The frog in the link is trick! It looks like it has the hooks attached permanently with screw eyes. If I were making it, I'd probably turn the hooks to face out, thinking that would expose the hook points more, but that's just me. And I'd want to be able to change out the hooks if I needed to. Funny how I never worry about a hollow frog hook getting dull, but I would worry about not being able to change out the hooks on a hard frog bait. Probably because soft frogs usually die before the hooks get dull. That's a good reason to come up with a weedless hard frog that works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Yeah Mark I think I'd turn the hooks out as well. I think I'm going to build one using PVC can you tell me what you use to fill in ballast holes in PVC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedyarb Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I use epoxy putty, solarez, or super glue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I use epoxy putty, solarez, or super glue! I do the same, or use bondo. It's easier to sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I just posted a hard frog bait in the Hard Baits gallery, along with an explanation of how I made it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Mark, I like it! Please update us on it's effectiveness with bucket mouths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Mark, I like it! Please update us on it's effectiveness with bucket mouths. Will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I just posted the frog that I painted and top coated with Solarez today. Three minutes in the nail box, and it's hard as nails (no pun intended). I'm going to throw it Sat. in 54 degree water with no grass at all. I don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Mark, It looks great. Did you just slide in the skirt or did you use a bit of epoxy or superglue to keep it there? Oh, please check out the Spittin King popper copy picture I posted to the gallery. I'd appreciate any feedback since I'm really new to all this. Note: I'm now a PVC convert! Edited January 15, 2014 by FrogAddict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I tied a knot in the middle, pulled it into the bait, and that gave it enough resistance so it doesn't slip. I'll check out your bait and let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Here's another link to an interesting design with the loose hooks on the rear of the lure. http://forums.basspro.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=029910 Edited January 16, 2014 by FrogAddict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) That looks like it would buzz up a storm coming across the grass, and be totally weedless! Plus, with the hooks trailing like that, it should get the short biters who only nip the legs. Edited January 16, 2014 by mark poulson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmarsh Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 These hard frog designs just keep getting better. I am going to have to try and whip myself one of those up. Oh and Mark, I really enjoyed the magnet idea to keep the bait weedless. You mentioned using a spring, how exactly are you planning on implementing that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I would put the spring in the slot just in front of the U shaped hook guide, seated in epoxy. A sst compression spring would be the way to go. Here's the one I was thinking of trying: http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/29622-stainless-steel-compression-springs-319-8037.html It doesn't want to be too strong, or it will make getting the hook up into the fish's mouth hard, like a really long, strong brush guard on a jig. At least, that's what I'm thinking. Let us know if you decide to make one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
