Mad Moose Baits Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I am experimenting with using Createx clear gloss over vinyl dots on my lures (I use them for shad dots and cut them in half for gill ears). The problem I had with GST is it made the vinyl curl up and ruined that bait. I tried the gloss but it was very thick so I diluted it a bit like you would a paint...is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Can't speak for createx clear ( I'm not a fan), but I have had good luck with rattle can clear under GST for things I wanted to protect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Moose Baits Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Can't speak for createx clear ( I'm not a fan), but I have had good luck with rattle can clear under GST for things I wanted to protect. What kind/brand? Thanks for the insight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I use the cheapest rattle can acrylic clear I can find. I think the can I have now came from ace hardware. It keeps GST from ruining my signature and sharpie marker lines. I was also having trouble with GST eating some of the createx transparent colors if I used them over another color. Sunrise yellow in particular. It seems even if I heat set the paint some of the transparent colors will still be a bit sticky and the GST would run them. A couple quick sprays with the cheap acrylic stopped that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inrll Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Does rattle can clearcoat yellow with time though? I always heard it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 The stuff I grabbed said "UV Protection" on the label. I want to say it's made by Krylon but I can't be for sure, I'll have to take a look when I get home. Will it yellow over time? Not sure, I only started using it in the fall when I started using GST. I sure hope it doesn't! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inrll Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Awesome! I noticed that some colors will run with the GST too. Honestly I've been pondering what to do for the last couple of days so I appreciate you sharing that man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 No problem. Just so you know I've tried the createx clear as well and it works too it's just harder to clean out of the gun then createx paint. The quick flush with soapy water or Windex won't get it. The couple times I used it I spent more time cleaning the gun then I did painting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 No problem. Just so you know I've tried the createx clear as well and it works too it's just harder to clean out of the gun then createx paint. The quick flush with soapy water or Windex won't get it. The couple times I used it I spent more time cleaning the gun then I did painting! Try running some acetone through your airbrush as a final step. You'll be amazed at what it will knock loose even after you think your brush is clean. Ben 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I'll try that Ben. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Mac Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Try running some acetone through your airbrush as a final step. You'll be amazed at what it will knock loose even after you think your brush is clean. Ben x2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I'll try that Ben. Thanks! Instead of "running some acetone through your brush" a more accurate description would be to back flush and use your normal cleaning process. Just spraying acetone through the brush will help, but won't clean as well as back flushing. Just wanted to make that clear. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Instead of "running some acetone through your brush" a more accurate description would be to back flush and use your normal cleaning process. Just spraying acetone through the brush will help, but won't clean as well as back flushing. Just wanted to make that clear. Ben Gotcha. Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basskandy Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 hey buddy not sure if this will help my first small bottle of clear gloss i got for createx was very thick as well.. I since went to my local airbrush store and probably 8 or of 10 are MUCH thinner then my first bottle not sure if it's just a malfunction or they thicken with time but I got the large 32oz bottla and it is MUCH thinner and works great with GST. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Moose Baits Posted February 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 hey buddy not sure if this will help my first small bottle of clear gloss i got for createx was very thick as well.. I since went to my local airbrush store and probably 8 or of 10 are MUCH thinner then my first bottle not sure if it's just a malfunction or they thicken with time but I got the large 32oz bottla and it is MUCH thinner and works great with GST. Thanks! It appears that my thinned gloss coat did keep the dots from curling. Happy day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kajay920 Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Ben, What is back flushing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Ben, What is back flushing? Kajay, Backflushing is used to help clean the airbrush. It's where you hold your finger over the nozzle of the airbrush and then pull the trigger as if to spray paint. This will cause air to be forced backwards into the bowl and it helps get the gunk out of the nozzle as well as the passages where the paint flows to the nozzle. It creates quite a bit of turbulence and this helps knock loose any paint that is stuck in the airbrush. If you have one of the needle caps that has notches cut into the sides of it holding your finger over it usually won't block enough air to create the backflushing process as air pressure will escape through the notches in the sides of this particular style of needle cap. To backflush with a cap like this you'll have to hold a rag tightly over the end of the brush so as to block the air and force it back towards the bowl. Hope this makes sense. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kajay920 Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Thanks! My pleasure Kajay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I thought back flushing was when you flushed the toilet when you were still sitting on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kajay920 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 No, that's just a redneck bidea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuskyGary Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Now let me get this straight. GST will make createx paint run; so you put createx clear over the paint and let it dry. Then you clearcoat with GST? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedyarb Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 I've never had gst make createx paint run. It wrinkled the paint a couple times, but that was because I did not dry it enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhersh Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 I've had createx paint wrinkle and my sharpie signature run untill I was advised to use createx clear coat. Since I started using it I have had no more problems with wrinkling or running. Great stuff in my op. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 I found, when making crackle paint jobs, that the strength of the paint's film is what determines if it crackles, because it is the stronger film strength of the overlay coat that pulls on the weaker underlying paint and causes it to crackle. That's why gloss Createx protects against crackling and wrinkling. Gloss coating have stronger film strengths, from long chain molecules that make the gloss. Heat setting your paint is important anyway, but shooting a coat of gloss Createx over it before you top coat is another layer of insurance. Just be sure to clean you airbrush with acetone after shooting the gloss. The same molecules that make it strong and glossy make it harder to clean from your airbrush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
