chill Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 The 1/8 oz on my mold has always had flash on the collar and sometimes at the hook eye it's not bad but it is starting to bug me. Could it be a bad mold or just the way I am pouring. I've tried lowering the temp raising the temp heating the hooks. It doesn't keep the fish from biting but it bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jig Man Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I had issues with a couple of cavities with my PT molds. I polished them and cracked them and nothing did a good job until Cadman put me on to the mold release spray (Frankfort Arsenal Drop Out). Now they work like charms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Chill, There are soooo many variables. I'll just give you one that I encountered, and believe me I have many problems as well as everyone else does. So you are not alone on this. There's days when nothing works right. Anyway, I used to have perfect pours with my smaller poison tail mold. This is when I used the correct 91768 hook designed for that mold. Well as time went on guys wanted different hooks in the mold (ie. round bend hooks #32886) because they did not like the EWG style hook. So the answer was to use the Mustad #32886 hook. Bingo, everyone likes that as an alternative. So I started to use those. However the #32886 hook is thicker than the 91768. Also the hook eye is bigger as well as thicker. What I've found was that the 32886 hook eye didn't quite fit the stock mold. Well after using it some and closing the mold I got it to work and it pours flawlessly. However when I go back to the 91768, the hook eye has a tendency to fill some. What happened was when I used the bigger hook, it opened up more space where the hook eye sits in the cavity, which in turn makes it also bigger when you put in the thinner hook. Unfortunately you cannot reverse this. The only solution is to buy another of the same mold, which I did and use it exclusively for the #91768 hook only. Also if you pour a lot of jigs, the mold will wear, especially the smaller cavities because they have less material for the hook eye to hold. So this is what I would look for. Put the correct hook in the cavity. Take a look at how much play is, where the hook shank below the eye lies in the cavity. Can you move the hook eye a lot in the hook eye cavity? If it moves a lot, meaning you can push the hook eye forward as far as it will go into the cavity, and then push it the same distance back, then you have too much slop in the hook eye. (The problem I have). What is happening is that the hook will move to its furthest point up, and when the lead fills, it fills into the area of the hook eye as well. This is hard to explain. I will see if I have a pic I can show you sometime today. What does help many times is to put your hook in the mold, and then pull it as low as you can down, so the hook eye is snug up against the hook eye cavity, then tape the hook in place and pour your lead. This is a P.I.T.A. but it does work, it keeps the lead from seeping into the hook eye. If you don't have a lot of jigs to pour this might work. Other things to look at: Make sure you don't have any lead slivers stuck on your mold halves. This will lead to a lot of flash and lead in the hook eye. Take a small thin scraper, and lightly go over both mold halves, you may have some lead stuck to one side. There are other things to look at but try there and I will post some pics later. I'm sure other will give you ideas to help you solve your dilemma. Edited March 2, 2014 by cadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Many anglers,including myself,do not like the radical bend of the Mustad 91768. Mustad used to make a M9200 w/ a more opened bend but discontinued them.Shorty's still has them in 1/0,3/0 4/0 and 5/0. I use 1000's of these per year vs. the #91768. that said,I could never find the M9200 in size 2/0 and have to open the bend by hand w/ pliers w/ products I make using that hook. They never give an advanced warning when they are going to discontinue a specific hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfrog Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Betcha cadman is right . Your mold has the wobble eye . Bout 10 of mine do cause there so old . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBull Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I took some kids play dow putty and just put a VERY SMALL amount in the eye of the hook mold. This keeps the eye in a stable possition in the down ward spot against the mold. It works great.. Hope this helps. STEVE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chill Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Betcha cadman is right . Your mold has the wobble eye . Bout 10 of mine do cause there so old . Hey Toad you cold It's dropping fast over here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chill Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Guys thanks for the info poured all my hooks up this morning so will have to wait till mine come in to try all the choices thanks a lot everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I took some kids play dow putty and just put a VERY SMALL amount in the eye of the hook mold. This keeps the eye in a stable possition in the down ward spot against the mold. It works great.. Hope this helps. STEVE Hey Steve, How does this hold up to many successive pours? Does the play dough putty ever break down and get runny or melts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfrog Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Chill I'm froze to death . Ok even though i'm froze went to the shop an applied just a touch of red silicone to one of the molds eye cavities . Powdered it good with talc , placed a hook and closed the mold . Now that it's dry , opened the mold took out the hook . Trimmed the excess with a razor blade . Flexable 2 edge sometimes works best will bend and conform . Poured it . Bingo did great . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdsaw Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Applied just a touch of red silicone to one of the molds eye cavities . Powdered it good with talc , placed a hook and closed the mold . Now that it's dry , opened the mold took out the hook . Trimmed the excess with a razor blade . Flexable 2 edge sometimes works best will bend and conform . Poured it . Bingo did great . ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yep, this is what I would try High temp red silicone around the eye cavity Degrease the surface to help with proper adhesion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chill Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Chill I'm froze to death . Ok even though i'm froze went to the shop an applied just a touch of red silicone to one of the molds eye cavities . Powdered it good with talc , placed a hook and closed the mold . Now that it's dry , opened the mold took out the hook . Trimmed the excess with a razor blade . Flexable 2 edge sometimes works best will bend and conform . Poured it . Bingo did great . Thanks buddy used a eye power machine bi focal didn't work one side of the collar has small chip in it never noticed before. When I get some hooks will do the red silicone ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yep, this is what I would try High temp red silicone around the eye cavity Degrease the surface to help with proper adhesion Thanks am going to try that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBull Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 HI ....CADMAN yes it does, but when i make a few up ( 10) for my self I don't worry about that . Just wipe clean and add more if needed. Have a good day. STEVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
