mark poulson Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) If he changes his mind, I'll post a photo. If I can get my hands on some heavy fluoro, I may try and make one myself with weedless jighead. Edited May 22, 2014 by mark poulson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt - NC Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 If he changes his mind, I'll post a photo. If I can get my hands on some heavy fluoro, I may try and make one myself with weedless jighead. That would be cool, Mark. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I got a letter also a long time ago, it was when Z-Man just got the rights to the chatterbait. I made my own out of a Snootie jig with 2 split rings but I purchased a bunch of the coffin shaped blades from Barlows Tackle and in the letter they told me not to sell them as the blade was an infringement, that is when I found out how big manufacturers were getting around it but I got the letter because I had a picture of the bait online. While I don't condone anyone doing any patent infringement, it does make me wonder how all the copies get done with little to no problems, I mean come on, Gary Yamamoto should be the wealthiest man in the world, every single soft plastic manufacturer and home pour guy makes that bait. I guess he didn't have a patent but it just makes me wonder if a patent is really worth it since it will get knocked off anyway. I have witnessed ideas stolen from this site, I will tell you that my powder paint air brush is a Badger model 260 hobby sandblaster that I was using in early 2004 for spraying powder as I had a problem learning the brush tap method of doing multi colors in powder. Now, I never saw the hobby sandblaster being offered as a powder paint air brush when I began using mine but I did some post about it and all of a sudden I began seeing this powder paint air brush and it looked exactly like my Badger sandblaster. Does anyone ever wonder where the Teflon pin idea came from? It came from this site as well because we share ideas and information to help make our tackle making hobby much more enjoyable and help newcomers to the hobby by getting them through stumbling blocks but I know from things I saw that there are people from larger companies that come to this site and lurk to get ideas, there has to be . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Does anyone ever wonder where the Teflon pin idea came from? It came from this site as well because we share ideas and information to help make our tackle making hobby much more enjoyable and help newcomers to the hobby by getting them through stumbling blocks but I know from things I saw that there are people from larger companies that come to this site and lurk to get ideas, there has to be . I remember speaking about this idea with a former TU member. He brought it to my attention, and I thought it was a great idea. I tried it, really liked it and I heavily promoted it here to all the members on TU. At the time I was selling them as well. Several weeks later I remember selling them to a woman I did not know, and I found out later who she was working for. Then the company started to sell them. A very sore subject with me, but life moves on. I will not promote their business. I guess most guys, would only like the acknowledgement or someone to say, hey you have a great idea, I would like to sell these. But it doesn't work like that in the real business world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt - NC Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I remember speaking about this idea with a former TU member. He brought it to my attention, and I thought it was a great idea. I tried it, really liked it and I heavily promoted it here to all the members on TU. At the time I was selling them as well. Several weeks later I remember selling them to a woman I did not know, and I found out later who she was working for. Then the company started to sell them. A very sore subject with me, but life moves on. I will not promote their business. I guess most guys, would only like the acknowledgement or someone to say, hey you have a great idea, I would like to sell these. But it doesn't work like that in the real business world. What company was it? You should let us all know so we don't support them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt - NC Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I got a letter also a long time ago, it was when Z-Man just got the rights to the chatterbait. I made my own out of a Snootie jig with 2 split rings but I purchased a bunch of the coffin shaped blades from Barlows Tackle and in the letter they told me not to sell them as the blade was an infringement, that is when I found out how big manufacturers were getting around it but I got the letter because I had a picture of the bait online. While I don't condone anyone doing any patent infringement, it does make me wonder how all the copies get done with little to no problems, I mean come on, Gary Yamamoto should be the wealthiest man in the world, every single soft plastic manufacturer and home pour guy makes that bait. I guess he didn't have a patent but it just makes me wonder if a patent is really worth it since it will get knocked off anyway. I have witnessed ideas stolen from this site, I will tell you that my powder paint air brush is a Badger model 260 hobby sandblaster that I was using in early 2004 for spraying powder as I had a problem learning the brush tap method of doing multi colors in powder. Now, I never saw the hobby sandblaster being offered as a powder paint air brush when I began using mine but I did some post about it and all of a sudden I began seeing this powder paint air brush and it looked exactly like my Badger sandblaster. Does anyone ever wonder where the Teflon pin idea came from? It came from this site as well because we share ideas and information to help make our tackle making hobby much more enjoyable and help newcomers to the hobby by getting them through stumbling blocks but I know from things I saw that there are people from larger companies that come to this site and lurk to get ideas, there has to be . The same would go for Herb Reed, inventor of the Sluggo. It was only a matter of weeks before his invention had been completely ripped off by so many other manufacturers. Every company in the US was selling Sluggo imitations. There is no way this didn't hurt his company. But the tackle industry is full of rip-offs and copycats. Just the way it is, I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) What company was it? You should let us all know so we don't support them. For all of you that know me and know of the situation when it happened, I do not wish to make this public on this forum. At the time I have told a few close members on here, what transpired. With that said, I do not want to rehash this all over again and stir up trouble. So for those that know please do not post here, for those that don't, I am not going to go in detail, so don't ask. What happened , is already done, please respect my wishes and let's move on. Thanks Edited May 22, 2014 by cadman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltwater Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 smalljaw is probably correct in saying thatsmalljaw is probably correct when he says , "there are people from larger companies that come to this site and lurk to get ideas, there has to be". Hey, I finally put my latest idea to the test and it worked like a charm. You know that the"dimples" in golf balls give them an aeronautical lift in flight so they travel further. So, I put "dimples" in my latest crank bait and when I cast it flies further through the air and when it is in the water the "dimples" give it hydrodynamic lift so it is easier to retrieve. I am a genius and when my patent is granted I will be rich !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt - NC Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Let me know when you have some of those dimpled crankbaits available. I'm in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltwater Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Here it is, the worlds first dimpled and thus farthest casting bait. The "Chatter Caster Bait" © 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt - NC Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Here it is, the worlds first dimpled and thus farthest casting bait. The "Chatter Caster Bait" © That is insanely awesome dude! When can I order mine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Here it is, the worlds first dimpled and thus farthest casting bait. The "Chatter Caster Bait" © What type rod are you using to cast it? A driver or a fairway wood? Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I'm sure you need a rod with a graphite shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 smalljaw is probably correct in saying that smalljaw is probably correct when he says , "there are people from larger companies that come to this site and lurk to get ideas, there has to be". Hey, I finally put my latest idea to the test and it worked like a charm. You know that the"dimples" in golf balls give them an aeronautical lift in flight so they travel further. So, I put "dimples" in my latest crank bait and when I cast it flies further through the air and when it is in the water the "dimples" give it hydrodynamic lift so it is easier to retrieve. I am a genius and when my patent is granted I will be rich !!! I hate to burst your bubble but there is already a crankbait with "dimples" on the market, look up BasStar, in fact I'll post the link. http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Basstar_Randy_McAbee_Big_Mac_Crankbait/descpage-BSRMBM.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltwater Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 See, they already stole my idea....LOL My bubble hasn't burst, it just proves my point. The dimpled golf ball lure was obviously just for laughs. The irony is; stupid ideas are endemic in the world of fishing lures because most commercial lures are designed to catch fishermen not fish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt - NC Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 The irony is; stupid ideas are endemic in the world of fishing lures because most commercial lures are designed to catch fishermen not fish. Exactly. Lures that catch fishermen first make way more money that those that catch fish but not fishermen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 "The Irony"- golf ball lure, anyone? Im sorry I just had to. I think I could just make this lure by adding some screw eyes and a bill to a golf ball in a vise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasilofchrisn Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Here is a dimpled lure for you guys. Actually it is a jig mold. Shawn collins has been making these for awhile. He calls it a bumpy jig. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Saltwater-D-Jig-3-Bumpy-mold-1-2-4oz-CNC-Aluminum-Diamond-/121401294244?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4414bda4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Here is a dimpled lure for you guys. Actually it is a jig mold. Shawn collins has been making these for awhile. He calls it a bumpy jig. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Saltwater-D-Jig-3-Bumpy-mold-1-2-4oz-CNC-Aluminum-Diamond-/121401294244?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4414bda4 Does the shape and pattern of the dimples affect how far it casts, like a golf ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonfishn Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Happened to have nothing to do for the moment and even though I'd previously responded to this post I thought it would be interesting to point out a couple of items. Z-Man's patent actually covers the specific way it attaches, i.e., thru the actual hook eye. They know they cannot claim "rights" to the blade itself nor can they claim infringement if a blade is attached to a bait using a split ring or other configuration. Now they can "bully" and send copies of their claimed proprietary rights and most will acquiesce (and rightly so) but if they ever come up against the big boys my sense is they'll loose. Does anyone remember Uncle Buck's Tornado Spinner Bait? It was designed by "Shoestring" DuBois and featured a blade (they called it a clapper) attached to the spinner bait which caused it not only to flap and wobble but also make noise via its attachment to the frame. Shoestring claimed one could use it as a spinner bait or a buzzbait, it all depended on how fast one cranked it in. The prominent feature of this lure was the "blade" and other than the bend, it's basically a Z-Man blade. Any comments re this analogy? Wish I could find a pic of the old bait, Bass Pro no longer stocks them and I've googled it to find a pic, to no avail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasilofchrisn Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Does the shape and pattern of the dimples affect how far it casts, like a golf ball? Most of the bumpy jigs he make are for vertical jigging AKA saltwater vertical jigging.So no casting required. I don't think he does it for casting distance but more for a different look. I suppose it may have a slightly differrent action when jigged but I haven't yet bought one to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Most of the bumpy jigs he make are for vertical jigging AKA saltwater vertical jigging.So no casting required. I don't think he does it for casting distance but more for a different look. I suppose it may have a slightly differrent action when jigged but I haven't yet bought one to try. If you do, see if the pattern adds backspin, too. Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasilofchrisn Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 If you do, see if the pattern adds backspin, too. Hahaha Do I get a bonus if I get a hole in one? I am really not interested in the concept myself but others may find it intriguing I supppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 You get a new car! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
