sonoman Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I have a guy who has asked me to paint some finished plastic production cranks to look like the flat finish and paint scheme of the bomber 7A fire tiger pattern, I was wondering what everyone uses to do this and how does the finish hold up?...I am not accustomed to not spraying on a clear coat so my concern is durability....thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 If you look down the forum list there is a discussion regarding matte finishes...Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Nathan, thanks I saw it, but he has requested that the baits appear as the bomber does, they do not have any coating matte or otherwise on them...just basically a very low sheen to flat appearing flourescent paint, I just haven't done that so i'm not sure if the createx that I have would hold up whatsoever.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Createx definitely won't hold up to being fished without a protective clear coat. Many of the older lures were painted with lacquer paints without a clear coat. I've never used lacquer paints myself, but have read several threads about it being done this way. Try doing a search for lacquer paints and maybe you'll find some of the threads I was referring to. good luck, Ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Createx will NOT hold up without a top coat. Neither will any other water based fabric paint. I'm guessing Bomber used some kind of flat lacquer, but I've never sprayed that kind of paint. If I were making them, I'd top coat with my normal top coat, and then either knock off the gloss with a scotchbrite pad, or spray a coat of matte finish over that, to knock off the sheen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Createx definitely won't hold up to being fished without a protective clear coat. Many of the older lures were painted with lacquer paints without a clear coat. I've never used lacquer paints myself, but have read several threads about it being done this way. Try doing a search for lacquer paints and maybe you'll find some of the threads I was referring to. good luck, Ben Great minds think alike! I guess they type at the same time, too. I don't know about other states, but Calif. doesn't allow the same kinds of lacquer paints that we used thirty+ years ago. Something about ozone depletion. Of course, the new paints do save the ozone, but they are deadly for people. Go figure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Great minds think alike! I guess they type at the same time, too. I don't know about other states, but Calif. doesn't allow the same kinds of lacquer paints that we used thirty+ years ago. Something about ozone depletion. Of course, the new paints do save the ozone, but they are deadly for people. Go figure! Yep, a lot of the stuff we used thirty years ago is treated like hazardous waste these days. End the long run I'm sure they'll come up with stuff that is not as harmful and might even do a better job. We'll just have to wait and see. They better hurry though because some of us are on the downhill side of the slope. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I do want to point out that I have some of those Bomber flat paints, and they are not that durable either. LOL OK, they are a flat lacquer, and better the a water based paint, but ........ just saying......... need to repaint a couple of the production lures now. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted August 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Thanks for the replys, exactly what i was thinking....I am going to have to convince him to let me put something over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I do want to point out that I have some of those Bomber flat paints, and they are not that durable either. LOL OK, they are a flat lacquer, and better the a water based paint, but ........ just saying......... need to repaint a couple of the production lures now. LOL The things that make paint glossy make it stronger, just like with top coats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentle Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 "If I'm using an epoxy clear like d2t, after it cures I throw mine in my bench top sandblast cabinet with ultra fine glass beads, a quick once over, wa la perfect matte finish. You don't have to be as careful as you may think, that d2t is tough stuff, just make sure you tape up the bills. " I posted this on the topic of matte finish, I have painted that paint scheme numerous times, This technique to achieve a matte finish works great and plus it's still just as durable as it is not sandblasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodieb8 Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 you can use floro enamel base. let it gasoff/dry and use acrylic enamel clear. make sure the paints fry. mattes are available in clears. our processyears back were floros,and automotive clear..... one thing there tuffer for teeth,in reality its all shiny in the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Solarez UV cured polyester resin used as a topcoat has a very low gloss. Scuff it up with a little 400 grit paper and it has no gloss whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 "If I'm using an epoxy clear like d2t, after it cures I throw mine in my bench top sandblast cabinet with ultra fine glass beads, a quick once over, wa la perfect matte finish. You don't have to be as careful as you may think, that d2t is tough stuff, just make sure you tape up the bills. " I posted this on the topic of matte finish, I have painted that paint scheme numerous times, This technique to achieve a matte finish works great and plus it's still just as durable as it is not sandblasted. Have you tried holding one of your bead blasted cranks below the surface in a bowl of water and seeing what it looked like Gentle? I haven't done this with bead blasted cranks, but have done it after roughing up the surface with sandpaper and as soon as the crank hit the water the coating looked just like it did before I roughed it up with sandpaper. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentle Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Ben, yes I have, I took a factory original matte and some of the ones I blasted and submerged in water, they both looked the same and they both get that wet look. I wouldn't say it's as glossy as a cleared, unblasted bait. To a fish I wouldn't think it'd make a bit of difference, but fisherman are a fickle bunch and some just insist on having a bait done EXACTLY how they want. I've never had a single complaint about my matte finish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 You could be on to something with the bead blasting Gentle. After reading some articles by professional fishermen saying they scuffed up the clear coat on their new cranks to take the shine off I experimented with it. I scuffed up the surface of one crank with 400 grit sandpaper and did nothing to the other bait. After submerging both of them side by side in water you couldn't tell which one had been scuffed up and which one hadn't. Maybe the bead blasting does something the sandpaper doesn't. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking 56 Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Has anybody tried airbrusing over a rattlecan primer or a wet sanded a rattlecan gloss base? Createx etc... should stick well enough without having to clearcoat it, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Visual appearance of the bait sanded vs non under dunked under water doesn't really mean much. What happens as that sanded bait rolls does it reflect light (with the scuffed imperfect surface) in the same manner as that slick coated crank? Is it less intense? etc...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent R Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I know years ago David Fritts was throwing Poe's crankbait's. He would hang his baits on his sun visor in his truck to fad the color on his baits. But like Ben said everything i have tried looks the same in the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
