Deep Running Crankbaits

[CarverGLX]

(((For you to figure out about these Aussie lure versions of mine , ...here are links to my gallery :

 

http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/index.php?/gallery/image/9843-chalk-painted-deep-diver/

 

http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/index.php?/gallery/image/9844-mottled-finishes/

 

http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/index.php?/gallery/image/10152-latest-pvc-grubs/

 

Maybe worth a shot for American bass , .....dunno , ........at least these lures cast very well and can be made to run very deep(that lip size in my gallery picture never is the  final size limit , I suppose) .

 

Just my   , .....good luck , diemai

I like that. Reminds me of a Bagley's smoo. Great walleye bait.

[diemai]

Dieter,

I can't believe that a pike wouldn't attack that Aussie deep diver, especially if you paint it in a yellow perch scheme.

I'd hit it!!!

Mark , I don't mean to say , that they won't hit it at all , but I've just gained the impression , that perch respond better to such lively lures compared to pike .

 

If deep divers for pike are in order , most likely during fall season , I'm more confident about straight-bodied and minnow-shaped lures sporting a narrower and elongated lip , either oval or pointed , as sucha lip and body configuration provides a more moderate swimming action , yet retaining a fairly deep dive(though not as deep as the Aussie versions) .

 

Here an older model with such a moderate action :

 

http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/index.php?/gallery/image/11096-best-pike-this-season/ 

 

 

But also I've got the problem of making too many different lures , so each single lure might never get the chance of highly intense  testing     .

 

Greetz , Dieter

[diemai]

I like that. Reminds me of a Bagley's smoo. Great walleye bait.

Never heard of , but just googled some pictures , ......indeed the "Smoo"  has that special body shape as well , but I might not make the head fatter than the rear body , as this way the lip weight would not render the lure to swim head-down too much , thus not so much ballast could be placed into the rear in order to have the lure swim level again and also resulting into better casting performance .

 

Forgot to mention about the body cross section of my Aussie versions , ......it may vary from circle round to oval(relation height to width  up to about 1 : 1,7) , wheras oval bodies provide a stronger wobble compared to round ones , also do turn out more voluminous , .....thus more buoyant to be able to carry a bigger lip and more rear ballast .

 

Greetz , Dieter   

[Bois d'Arc]

What crankbait do you currently own and use to get below the 10 foot barrier?:  LuckyCraft CB-12 & 20 KO's.  Rapala DT-16 KO. Both get deep, have a different action, any pattern I can paint, and catch bass  (I fish mostly for Largemouth bass.)

 

What rod, reel, line do you use?:  Depends on the situation....Shimano Curado 5:5:1 with 16 lb. Sunline fluoro on a  MH action 7' BPS Crankin Stick when chunkin' 1/2 - 1 oz. lures.  Casts a long way, gets deep. and has enough backbone to handle pretty good size fish.  Shimano Curado 6:5:1 with 12 lb. Sunline fluoro on a M action 7' BPS Crankin Stick for 3/8 oz. or less lures.  Same as the MH action....long casts, good depth, plenty of action with just enough backbone to pull fish out of the sticks.  I fish around lots of timber and brush.  These rigs also handle spinnerbaits very well.

[mark poulson]

BPS Stacey King cranking rods are great, and are a great value.  I use the ML for topwater, mostly Sammies, and they cast and work great.

[Bassfisher1]

I would use 8-10 lb Flourocarbon tied to a Slounch Slayer MD of course. Then I would hold on.

[sonoman]

I believe I saw that guy for sale this morning on my FB feed..., nice looking bait, also as I was reading through this  older thread I  noticed Skeeter saying something about why no one mentioned their own deep diving stuff, what I  have noticed especially around tournament bass guys is that the last thing in the world they want anyone to know is what they catch their fish on, I  imagine it isn't a whole lot different here, I make quite a few baits and sell some to just a few guys which is fine by me but part of that deal is that the guys that buy like that appreciate quality of a hand built/hand tuned lure and knowing that they sought it out and that the next guy in next boat most likely doesn't have one....so every time I sell to a new guy its always the same conversation...man you don't know how hard it was to get your number...lol, so when every Tom,Dick and Harry is telling everyone about your lure I  don't expect its all that good...just my .02

[Musky Glenn]

Bill Norman dd22's are deep runners that I use with a garcia 3.8 to 1 ratio reel. I believe the "Smoo" was the worst running lure I ever bought. Just my $.02. Musky Glenn

[Skeeter]

"The amount of weight needed for ballast and the position of weighting needed will make the lure more awkward to cast than a heavier material.... Unless you can create a weight transfer system. Production baits that have this system allow you to cast farther which is basically the name of the game when achieving depth. Combine this with the cost difference of production and custom lures and it is easy to understand why they are more popular. Is it a waste of time? Of course not. This is what we do. Custom and homemade baits do catch fish and at times out fish production baits. In this particular instance though the advantage may be less, the work more, and the demand for consistency lure to lure higher."

 

"I think CarverGLX nailed it as far as the practicalities go."

 

 

Looks like yall got it figured out. Thanks everyone for the replies.

 

Skeeter

[wall i]

Kinda depends what you wanna catch dont you think...? Do you want a deep Musky lure or a walleye/bass crank? I can get a Rap Deep tail-dancer 11 down to 20'+ on 20lbs braid and a Toro Winch. DHJ 12's to 15'. Wouldnt use a reel with more than 5.3:1.

Braid will get you deeper. Floro the leader if you must.

Reef Runner has a banana that will also do 20' if you dont mind spending a few minutes tuning it outta the box.

Any of the above present a good template.

Edited November 20, 2014 by wall i

[BobP]

Skeeter, you sound sorta bummed out but I've always thought of deep cranking as a specialized technique rather than something that will ever be generally popular.  Guys who do it best have learned how productive it can be when practiced with modern sonars, good scouting techniques, and a few pieces of the right gear.  Average Joes just out for a day of fun fishing?  Not so much.  Takes too much time and effort to be successful on water where they have not taken (or just don't have) the time to learn where deep bass are active.  Average Joe is just lazy.

 

Bass tournaments on Tennessee River impoundments and the big lakes in Texas and California drove the popularity of deep cranking.  And on those waters it may have peaked somewhat due to over-use, with competitors sometimes having to switch to other deep moving baits like swimbaits or bucktail jigs to generate the best results.  It is what it is.  I'm sure the pendulum will swing back toward deep crankbaits again.  Nothing ever goes away - it gets recycled.  In the commercial arena, I also think the sale of custom wood deep runners has been cannibalized to some extent by the wave of silent commercial plastic crankbaits in the recent marketplace.  Rely on Strike King and the other big companies to eat as much of the market as they can!

 

I enjoy building deep running crankbaits for the added challenges of making them.  And I prefer catching fish on something I made instead of something I bought.  But that doesn't mean I won't throw commercial deep plastic crankbaits.  Getting bit is job number one.  "Sometimes they feel like a mint, sometimes they don't."