Is There Anything To This?

[robalo01]

https://www.facebook.com/157628180971249/photos/pb.157628180971249.-2207520000.1408827253./670422203025175/?type=3&theater

 

another gimmick?

[JSC]

Looks like a lot of extra bending for which I see no reason  ??  will it actualy get more vibration that way  ??

[Anglinarcher]

Maybe, but I suspect the increase in vibration would be marginal if any.  Vibration on a shaft is a function of arm length, wire thickness, and blade style.  The actual wire length is increased, but the effective arm length is not.  So, does it matter?

 

I think I would do a side by side test of my own before I discounted it, but ....... in my mind, it is something to sell to the fisherman, not the fish. 

[CarverGLX]

I've seen those before. While the concept of making the arm longer to create more vibration does make sense in theory... Why not just use thinner wire/more flexible material, like cable, if that is your concern?

You could even bend the wire into a coil past the line tie forming a spring to get more vibration if you wanted. A longer wire does equal more flex but I'm just not a fan of how that is done with this bait. I'm calling gimmick with a margin of truth in concept. It just doesn't look very clean and never could get past that.

[RayburnGuy]

If your looking for more vibration why not use a Stanley tapered wire spinnerbait?

 

Ben

[sonoman]

Where I fish that arm would be covered in slime grass and just about anything it got near....no thank you.

[smalljaw]

Yeah, those bends will give some added vibration to the bait but there are other ways that work. The one thing nobody talks about, which is critical to the bait, is blade spacing. On a single blade bait you simply leave the blade arm a little longer and add an oversize blade and it is a thumper but for tandem blades, that is where the art is at. This death shimmer may work but to me it isn't anything I would get, as I mentioned, single blade spinnerbaits can be made to thump with less work.

[mark poulson]

Has anyone figured out how to add a chatter blade to a spinnerbait?  I've done it with cranks, but I'm wondering if it would work on a spinnerbait.

[Darkman]

I don't think they add anything to the lure, if you want more vibration use a thinner wire, you wont get the a long lasting lure but it will vibrate better. those were called Gargoyle spinnerbaits (or very similar to one) all those bends do is add an unnecessary cost to the lure...they are awexome looking but that is all they are, they do nothing to make a fish hit that lure any more or any less

[Dink Master]

Has anyone figured out how to add a chatter blade to a spinnerbait?  I've done it with cranks, but I'm wondering if it would work on a spinnerbait.

Just add a blade to an open eye wire form.

http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/media/gallery/category_4/tn_gallery_14432_4_2128.jpg

 

http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/media/gallery/category_4/tn_gallery_14432_4_3677.jpg

Edited August 26, 2014 by Dink Master

[mark poulson]

Thanks Dink.

How does it affect the action?

[Dink Master]

Thanks Dink.

How does it affect the action?

A Spinnerbait with some wobble. You can't reel too fast it wants to come up.

[mark poulson]

A Spinnerbait with some wobble. You can't reel too fast it wants to come up.

Have you tried bending over the top of the chatter blade?  I do that on chatterbaits, and they stay down even when they're burned fast.

[JSC]

I think I have seen one like I just Posted (Coil sping shaft)

Will it increase vibration  .. not tested yet . this Thread gave me the idea for doing this.

(I call this the Texas Chicken Color skirt)

Edited August 28, 2014 by JSC

[gonfishn]

Mark, BPS used to offer just what you're talking about.  It was a spinnerbait with a shakee blade on it and they called it a Tornado.  It was put out under Shoestring Dubois name.

[mark poulson]

Mark, BPS used to offer just what you're talking about.  It was a spinnerbait with a shakee blade on it and they called it a Tornado.  It was put out under Shoestring Dubois name.

Thanks.  I'll check it out.

[mark poulson]

I stopped fishing the Revenge spinnerbaits because the wire broke too often, especially on the deep runners.

I switched up the blades on some BPS 1/2oz tandems to small Colorado/larger Indiana, coated with Sally Hansen In The Spotlight polish (mylar bits in clear), and I get both flash and vibration.

[wootonc]

I have bought a couple of those at a fishing show and had no difference. The ones I make with a smaller wire size has as much if not more vibration than those. I would not buy them again.

[robalo01]

I think we would have to define how vibration is measured. If we are going by what we feel on the rod, a lot of factors com into play, including the line stretch, rod sensitivity and stiffness, etc. In fact, a stiffer upper are is more likely to transmit the vibration up to the rod. A more flexible arm would absorb the vibrations and would be felt less on the rod (I would think). That is not to say that ones send more or less vibes into the water. I am not sure how we could measure that.

[robalo01]

Necessarily, blade size and type should have an effect on vibration, but perceived volume is is often relative to frequency. So, to know what the optimum vibe is we would have to understand how fish perceive it and what is most appealing to them.

[mark poulson]

For me, there isn't enough of a difference in vibration with the lighter wire Revenge deep runners to offset how expensive and fragile they are.

[robalo01]

Empirically, I can't say that stronger volume always equals more strikes. My biggest bass (10.5 lbs) was caught on an Excalibur 1/2 oz with a single willow blade, drug through tree stumps on 12 lb line.  I don't think vibration played as big a role as flash and profile.

[JBlaze]

I am no expert on any of this but it is my understanding that a bass feels the vibration of a lure long before it can see the the flash of, or the lure itself so I think that good strong vibrations are the biggest asset of any spinnerbait since that is a bass first indication that there is food or an intruder entering his territory. That is not to say that colors, head shape, design, balance and the ability to come through  or over brush/weeds or other structure without hanging -up easily is any less important as all of these things contribute to a good bait.

 

I have built many spinnerbaits over the years and I have always felt that I got stronger vibrations from a single blade bait than I ever did with a tandem blade .

 

One of the posts #7 from Smalljaw in this topic  really intrigued me when he said that," blade  spacing is critical to getting the vibrations from a tandem blade bait". This is something that I will experiment with .

 

Another post #17 also caught my attention when he was talking about the dual concept spinnerbait. I had never heard of this before. I made my self a few of these (Not to sell) using titanium wire for the blade arm don't know how long they will stay together but they give off very good vibrations for a small bait and absolutely will not roll over on their side when burning them. I posted a few of them in the gallery, here is the  link to them,                                          http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/index.php?/gallery/image/13743-flexarm01/

[mark poulson]

I can't imagine that any wire will give off more vibrations than the blades themselves, even willow blades.  Maybe the lighter wire allows the whole blade assembly to oscillate more, but I'm not an expert on spinnerbaits, so I'll have to take others' word for that.

[JSC]

Mark I have tried it over the years and when the Bass get really finicky I go to a 1/4 oz. extra light wire (.020 + or - )Matchedwith a Indiana blade and had them to hit this while leaving a .030 size alone (same size & blade)  ..  In the "Feel" you can feel more of the vibes with the light wire  ..  The wire might not hold up that long (I have caught as many as 50 or more before changing it)   but you do have to bend it back in shape and this is where you can tell if its ready for the re melt mode   (salvage lead/blade/swivele and some times the hook)  .. If I remember correctly I have only had 2 of these to break with a fish on and that was my fault for not changing it  ... I had one I bought (.040 wire) break with a 8# + ready to be landed  . (quick release with all but the spinner in his mouth).  I have made a few with coated leader wire (cabeled) attached above the tie as JB has made with the T Wire.  It did not do as well as the .020 wire.