Got My Hands In The Air "still Having This Problem Many Bubbles In The Melted Plastic

[Dinkerblue]

Peace Leonard

ok no worries

[Shane D]

Dinkerblue are you sure it the Plastic? Just curious.

[Bassinfool]

And the online dick measuring contest begins....

[Dinkerblue]

Yes end of story.

[SlowFISH]

I've had similar issues with a few different brand(s)... from my experiences a few key points were made in this thread and I'd make sure they didn't get lost in some of the above posts...

 

Make sure 100% you hit 350 on temps.  This goes for ANY brand you use... I've had stickness from one brand and color changing on another that was MY FAULT for not cooking the plastic enough.  Buy a $20 dollar digital thermo... worth ever cent... be sure you are hitting 350.  I'd even recommend stirring a bit and checking the temp again as I can hit 350-360 in the center of a cup and be 320 in the top half.  

 

Not sure how much you used so far... but it's possible if any hardpacking/particulate didn't get mixed up real well that what you poured out so far was "missing" some of the ingredients so to speak.  If you've only used a little of your 2.5 gallons - if it was me - I'd shake/stir the crap out of it and make sure it's all liquid and there isn't anything on the bottom or stuck to the container.  I've shaken the hell out of 1 gallon containers for 5 minutes and not even dented any hardpacking on the bottom - I needed to scrape it lose with a long stick and then stir shake even more.  After you are 100% sure it's mixed really really really good and there is NO hardpacked stuff on the bottom - I'd let it sit for a bit (1 hour) then use it.  Shaking the hell out of it may/will cause more bubbles... but I'd try to separate the variables with the issues you are having at some point - making sure it's mixed perfectly does that.

 

I get bubbles when I microwave even with a brand that usually minimizes this issue.  I cook to 350-360 and in my case just push the injector past the bubbles on top and go.  BUT I've noticed after I let the plastic cool down into the mid 200's then reheat - I don't have bubble issues anymore - or atleast they are minimized.  I'd cook your plastic to 350 - scoop out the bubbles on top with a metal spoon and let the rest cool down into the 260-270 range then reheat up to pouring temps and go... this may help minimize the bubbles.

 

J.

[jeff@mf]

The softer plastic sometimes takes less heat than firmer plastic that may take more time to heat

to get to the correct poring stage and be a little more patient with the heat process. I personally have cooked my super soft at 337 all day long and some at higher temps. When its hot or summer everything is already hot or warm compared to winter. The plastic you get with bubble has to be moisture of some kind or cheaper formulations, I have never seen air make M-F plastic bubble like some samples I have tried. If it was air why would it not bubble when you pour it into to a pan or heating pot? I would like an answer here_________________________Thanks

I have a 5.0 formula that will take some pretty long pot life with firmer formulas and very clear so far. Sorry if typos, TU is acting up for me at this time......

And the online dick measuring contest begins.... With that being said: I'm sure the wives don't want in this cat fight.....I have more input but I'm out of here time to go show the wife my surprise package at home!

Thanks, Jeff

[Baitjunkys]

Air is still in the pot. It takes longer to heat than a micro. Gives it longer period to disapear. Thats my 2 cents worth.you ever remove moisture with a vaccumm get crystal clear plastic. Shake the crap out of it and re add moisture? Water vapor boils at 212. No way possible its just sitting quiet in the middle of a pyrex cup at 350...

[Baitjunkys]

To clarify. Foam=moisture, micro bubbles=air...

[Frank]

Because there is more than one way to make plastic it has been my understanding that if you use a liquid to a liquid and make plastisol then you get much less bubbling than if one of the parts is a dry one. Thus the reason some plastic settles and some don't. The ones with dry components have air that clings to the particles and releases when heated. But if you put it under a vacumn the air will expand and float to the top. The result is clear bubble free plastic every time. Yes I said every time. This is my take on the subject so if I am wrong please feel free to correct me with an explanation not just a no you are wrong.

[Baitjunkys]

I think your spot on Frank... I love to hear the moisture scenario tho...

[jeff@mf]

What is air made from?

Answer

Dry air is primarily made up of nitrogen (78.09%) and oxygen (20.95%). The remaining 1% is made up of argon (0.93%), carbon dioxide (0.03%) and other trace gases (0.003%). Water vapour (water in its gaseous state) is also present in air in varying amounts.

Pretty sure it's water folks

[jeff@mf]

Bj if you wanted a true definition,

Ok folks off to work, not doing this because when a person thinks he's right you can never change there mind, do you guys actually formulate with multiple plasticizers or just vacuum Calhoun plastic?

[Baitjunkys]

Im not Calhoun plastics. No clue what they do. I kbow what I Do.

[Baitjunkys]

I guess we can agree to disagree. Im going back to my corner. I dont like pissing into the wind...

[Frank]

I don't use Calhoun plastic. I use Spikeit injectasol. If this is moisture then I guess the vacumn works on that too. Either way it works. I was told that in the Spikeit line at least that pourasol is just injectasol with air removed. But then there is another one called ultrasol which uses a different product, which I am assuming is a higher priced product to make another version of plastic. By the pricing structure it is more in line with some of the higher price plastisol that are available. I am also told it is a much better choice for cold water baits, it has more action than the other plastisol they sell.

[jeff@mf]

Absolutely Frank it does same with drawing bubbles out of RTV off your master. I don't mind helping here or on the phone and I know when it goes to far on this forum and usually blasted by the same folks. I kinda wish O'L BJ would leave M-F out of his comparison and I can leave it at that politely. I do not piss in the wind, not even in the boat...Well hope I at least helped some without disrupting you guys thread but I know many facts about many plastisols...I even not scared to hide behind a false name. I just can't see air being the culprit at whatever price I would insist de-airing it before they ship it to any customer. Sorry for any grammar mistakes, filling orders in one hand and chiming in here with the other..

Thanks and happy day...Jeff Smith

[Baitjunkys]

No hiding here. I sent you my name and number long ago to have your last tirade discussed like men. Never did get that call... I offered a solution a long time ago in this thread. It wasnt to go buy anyone elses stuff either. You probally have the best plastic out there. Not disputing that. You also are the highest priced. I will oblige you and leave your name from any further comparisons. I have always suggested people buy the plastic they like. Anyone else wants to talk to me. My number is on the website. My name is Leonard. Feel free to call..

[jeff@mf]

Thanks, Jeff

$143.00

-$5.00

$138.00 divided by 5  - $27.60 per gallon

NO de-air needed

Make a phone call I match anyone's price for the kind folks of TU, my number is 817-281-9488

Thanks BJ OK were done talking now......................................................................................................................

Edited September 10, 2014 by jeff@mf

[jeff@mf]

I forgot to mention while all your bullshoot, I have had double ankle surgery and did not have time to chat with you.

 

Jeff

Edited September 10, 2014 by jeff@mf

[bobv]

On the subject of bubbles, I was told by the folks at ISpikeit  that Injectasol was not made for microwave use. Of course I had already bought 5gal. It does bubble up something fierce and also settles badly. However it is great plastic if you just mix it up and heat,cool heat again. Can't complain about the results just more time consuming. I have a gallon of Calhoun from Bear and it heats and pours perfectly. I've had good and bad from several different places, must just  come from inconsistency in the manufacturing or even storage issues. If you are patient you can work through the issues.

[Frank]

Absolutely Frank it does same with drawing bubbles out of RTV off your master. I don't mind helping here or on the phone and I know when it goes to far on this forum and usually blasted by the same folks. I kinda wish O'L BJ would leave M-F out of his comparison and I can leave it at that politely. I do not piss in the wind, not even in the boat...Well hope I at least helped some without disrupting you guys thread but I know many facts about many plastisols...I even not scared to hide behind a false name. I just can't see air being the culprit at whatever price I would insist de-airing it before they ship it to any customer. Sorry for any grammar mistakes, filling orders in one hand and chiming in here with the other..

Thanks and happy day...Jeff Smith

You say you can't see air being the culprit, which means what? I sit down and pour about 30'hrs a week and on my side I have a vacumn chamber that holds 4 gallons. I see nothing but air growing and bursting. If it was moisture I would have some type of condensation some where don't you think? You know I have used your plastic and it is great stuff. Now I use another and figured out a way to make it work and keep my costs down. But if you can't believe air is the culprit I will send you some and you heat it and see. I would even send you some after it has been vacumned and you can see the big difference. If you want I will send you some just let me know.

[jeff@mf]

I think you may see moisture witch may be air? as air has moisture in it. I can see how air is stirred in an open pan so maybe your adding air while cooking your plastic and makes perfect sense so that means humans or a machines are doing it I guess.

 

It would be great to send me samples of both plastics and a jug of air from your state an add it to my jug and shake it crazy, sounds like a joke but a bottle of your finest air might help me understand more, Or you guys are right, kudos point takin.

I'll say it again you on to something airless plastisol

Thanks Again Frank, Jeff 

[Baitjunkys]

For the record. Viscosity has everything to do with trapping air. I think the point here is air is being introduced in the mixing process. Not water. Your plastic may have the perfect viscosity. Im pretty confident that if we reduced the viscosoty of ours. There would be no issues. Do you degass your plastic in the manufacturing process?

Civil convetsation here..

Edited September 10, 2014 by Baitjunkys

[Frank]

I think you may see moisture witch may be air? as air has moisture in it. I can see how air is stirred in an open pan so maybe your adding air while cooking your plastic and makes perfect sense so that means humans or a machines are doing it I guess.

 

It would be great to send me samples of both plastics and a jug of air from your state an add it to my jug and shake it crazy, sounds like a joke but a bottle of your finest air might help me understand more, Or you guys are right, kudos point takin.

I'll say it again you on to something airless plastisol

Thanks Again Frank, Jeff 

The air in it came from the east coast not the west coast. I think I can smell the peach blossoms. Not to knock you but if you have never used a different formula then maybe you have never experienced what is going on. I am sure the plastic company's don't have a round table to discuss what is new and how to save money. That is one secret you may not know? Around 700 for a drum of calhouns and about 750 for Spikeit. Big saving to me if I just have to vacumn.

[jeff@mf]

Secrete how to save money,?? Guess I'm stupid

I have here 7 brands of plastic I would be imbarasted to sell and most act dif, and all yellows, smells and I guess has the cheapest of all fillers "air"

I can not deair 100x55 gallon drums a month of crap but it works for you, I'm happy for you. Now off of here you guys have a good day now. Gentlemen and ladies

Again it makes my day frank rod. It works fir you peace