Cami Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 For the first time I tried to play with a multiple pieces aluminum injection mold ... but I did not buy the aluminum injector, so I used an icing pastry silicone syringe: it works! The body is in silicone, the spout is in polypropilene, the piston in ABS. I pour the hot plastisol inside the body, close with piston and inject. Bye. Cami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassinfool Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Let us know how it holds up. That's pretty cool if it works and stands the test of time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cami Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 For Bassinfool Remove the piston. Stand up the syringe with the spout down on the working bench. Pour the hot plastisol inside the syringe. Close the syringe with the piston. Slope the syringe more than 45°. Stand the conical spout inside the conical injecting door of the mold (mine it is conical). Softly push. The piston is really hard and is not affected by hot plastisol. The silicone syringe has got a conical tip that continues per 3/4 inside the plastic spout. If you find it in a Household Shop, try it (less than 5$ per 13 oz. fl,) Bye Cami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Accident waiting to happen. Spend $50 and get a real one please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 $29 http://baitjunkys.com/forum/index.php/topic,2858.0/topicseen.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cami Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Why an accident must happen? I do not discuss about the fact an aluminum injector should be more efficient in comparison with the silicone syringe, but, please would you like to explain us the reason of your criticism? Have you already tried a similar system? I did and it works: I used it for more than 2 hours without any leakage from the piston and the silicone body. The unique difference is that I have to pour hot plastisol inside the silicone pipe before injection instead to suck it. O course the use of athermal gloves is a must in both cases. Why have I to spend 50$ when I can spend 5? Bye. Cami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I would wear a suit of armor when using that thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I use a copper tube... That can't b any safer than Cami's silicone injector... But... So far so good..... I don't think the guys are criticizing you Cami, they're just giving advice, leading a horse to water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Why an accident must happen? I do not discuss about the fact an aluminum injector should be more efficient in comparison with the silicone syringe, but, please would you like to explain us the reason of your criticism? Have you already tried a similar system? I did and it works: I used it for more than 2 hours without any leakage from the piston and the silicone body. The unique difference is that I have to pour hot plastisol inside the silicone pipe before injection instead to suck it. O course the use of athermal gloves is a must in both cases. Why have I to spend 50$ when I can spend 5? Bye. Cami I'm guessing Monte has been burned by hot plastic before. I know I have. I'm sure he's just trying to warn you to be careful. I use silicone NorPor cups to melt my plastic in my microwave, so I know it is a very stable material, but I also know it is flexible, like I am imagining your syringe assembly might be. From my own experience with injectors, I would also be worried that it is more dangerous than metal injectors because of that. But all plastic, heated to 350 degrees, is a potential disaster waiting to happen. So I am also worried about you getting burned, nothing more. People here at TU look out for each other. So be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archery1 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 just be careful wear gloves long sleeve shirt,, pants,, make sure u take ur time and have plenty of room to work. don't think youll have problem. like earlier post said we try to look out for each other.. have fun and enjoy the benefits of making ur own baits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cami Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Dear Self Makers, first of all I would like to say that I appreciate your well based concerns. Yes, of course the strength of the silicone syringe cannot be compared with the aluminium one, but at same time I would like to focus your attention upon the pipe ribs that renforce the structure. In Italy I think to be one of few plastisol pathfinder about the soft plastic bait selfmade. Only from a short time in Europe is possible to buy multi figures alluminium mods, till now I realised mine molds in silicone (and one in electroerosed alluminium). At same time I don't produce big batches. So, to close, I would like only to say that if you have only a little bit experience with plastisol and you would like to try with injection process, a silicone syringe could be a cheap opportunity with the maximum attention to safety ... as forever. Mark, what is it your feedback about the Dexas cup? Perhaps it is a little bit more structured (i.e. safer) than the NorPro one, isn't it? Bye Cami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Cami, I actually have two of the Dexas cups. I use them for larger hand pours, and for heating plastic for injection. I like the flexibility of the NorPro cups. I use a heavy duty spring paper clip to hold the two sides together at the top and form a smaller spout, for finer hand pours. Plus the tall, thin shape holds the heat in the plastic longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipt Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 yeah get an aluminum injector. I used to attempt to use cheaper ones / make my own. one broke and the pressure flung hot plastic all over the place, some got on my face and I screamed. spend the money and dont get a story to tell like mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gone2long Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I think he's working with what's available in his neck of the woods I can imagine to have an injector shipped would be pretty pricey, as long as safety steps are taken no harm no fowl we have been improvising in this hobby from the beginning and some innovations have come from it, but point taken always think safety! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Dear Self Makers, first of all I would like to say that I appreciate your well based concerns. Yes, of course the strength of the silicone syringe cannot be compared with the aluminium one, but at same time I would like to focus your attention upon the pipe ribs that renforce the structure. In Italy I think to be one of few plastisol pathfinder about the soft plastic bait selfmade. Only from a short time in Europe is possible to buy multi figures alluminium mods, till now I realised mine molds in silicone (and one in electroerosed alluminium). At same time I don't produce big batches. So, to close, I would like only to say that if you have only a little bit experience with plastisol and you would like to try with injection process, a silicone syringe could be a cheap opportunity with the maximum attention to safety ... as forever. Mark, what is it your feedback about the Dexas cup? Perhaps it is a little bit more structured (i.e. safer) than the NorPro one, isn't it? Bye Cami Cami, For a long time I used a chrome-plated brass marinade injector for plastics, It got hot to the touch, so I wore gloves, but it worked. Maybe you can find something like that locally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I don't think he is saying his way is broken but just letting everyone know his results. That thing looks pretty stout and could handle what he is doing with it. I've seen videos of tips falling off and those silicone cups that are so soft they can barely hold them selves up. Heck even seen a video that's shows an injector being purged with the nozzle pointing straight up just to get air out. Didn't seen safe to me but to each his own. Cami thanks for sharing. And I am real sure it would cost an arm and leg to get an injector where you live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cami Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Dear Soft Bait Makers, thank you for all your suggestions, I really appreciate them. First of I have to say that Europe is growing in this hobby: http://www.almomail-peche.com/index2.php?url_principal=index.htm Such said, it true that is quite impossible for us to buy an american mold directly from your e-shops for all the reasons said by you. For Mark In Italy we do not have your BB culture and it is quite impossible to find a marinade injector. I'm searching a metal icing syringe for pastry. For Bob The hot temperature of plastisol can ruin the external spout in PP, instead the inner spout is in silicone. Silicone retains heat, instead metal transmits heat, so perhaps you can use the silicone syringe longer. I tried for 2 hours and the clearance between the silicone body and the piston has remained strict (I must oil the innner walls of syringe). For Frank Thank you to exist, you are a reference for me. Bye Cami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
