mark poulson Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Can I thin this stuff (zylene) and airbrush on my Walleye blades? I would contact the manuf. They were very helpful when I called them. http://www.directcolors.com/product/ac-1315-high-gloss-concrete-sealer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I just finished in my garage, and one of the things I did was check my foiled bait that was dipped twice. I found I could feel the foil seam on one side that I hadn't felt before, but the other seams were still smooth. I couldn't feel them at all. So, either the AC1315 continued to cure and shrink a little, or I missed it the first time I checked, and the seam wasn't smooth the last time. Sorry for the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 I fished a phantom red wart with a painted bill, dipped once in AC1315, hard again yesterday. I checked it this morning, and the leading edge of the bill the part with the brown paint on it, had worn slightly. But the AC1315 hadn't peeled, and was still fine. The orange on the underside of the bill just showed a little more, because the brown on top had worn slightly. The more I use this stuff, the more I'm convinced that it's my top coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 I just posted a photo in the Hard Baits gallery of a green craw crank that wrinkled because I didn't heat set/dry the paint enough before I dipped. Doh!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassAssassin Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 I am thinking about ordering a quart of this to try. Will a quart be deep enough to dip a 5 1/4" bait? Also what do you guys use to push the baits under? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted February 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 BassAssassin, Go to walmart in the pickle section and buy a olive jar..The diameter is small but the jar is tall..perfect for dipping baits...Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goolies Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 BassAssassin, Go to walmart in the pickle section and buy a olive jar..The diameter is small but the jar is tall..perfect for dipping baits...Nathan +1 on the olive jar. I dip 7" minnow baits in an olive jar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 If I'm not coating the bill, I hold the bait by the bill and dip it. If I am coating the bill, or if it has no bill, like an unassembled jointed bait, I use hemostats, and hold it by the hook hanger, or the line tie. Just be sure you're going to use a split ring, so any scaring from the hemostat's jaws doesn't break you line. I tried just using paper clip wires to dip with, but the buoyant baits like to float, and the wire comes out of the hole sometimes. That's not good. A quick dip is key. Otherwise, the solvent in the AC1315 has a chance to wrinkle the paint. If I miss a spot, I just brush some on after the dip coat has set, about 4 hours. I've also just brushed it on with an artists brush, when I don't want it to get into the joint areas of swimbaits. My youngest loves dill pickles, so I have a ton of pickle jars for dipping. When I was using my initial 4 oz. can for dipping, and I had a bait that was too long to dip completely, I would dip the head, and then flip it and dip the tail. It works, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassAssassin Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Just ordered a quart to try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Just be sure and dry each coat of paint really well, so it's strong enough not to be pulled into wrinkles when the AC1315 shrinks as it sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motomania Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) I've been dipping baits in ac1315 for a few weeks now. Curing them in a hotbox/oven really seems to help the curing process. - My oven is just a plastic milk crate lined with foil; and a piece of foil running halfway down the front.(kinda like a foil curtain) and a 50 watt ceramic heat emitter for reptiles; helps maintain about 110 in my makeshift oven. Making the foil 'curtain'/front door of the oven easily increases temps.(careful, hotter temps swell/split baits) Threaded rods running the width of the box work great to hang baits in. - I had a couple baits that initially wrinkled the createx I used on them. Then I recalled what was mentioned in this thread about dipping them quick. So I dip my baits in the ac1315; only quick enough to coat the bait; quickly yank it from the dip; then take a hair dryer on low, just to quickly blow off the excess ac1315; leaving a super thin coat of sealer behind. Then I hang them in my makeshift 'oven' to cure. - It seems that first, super quick dip and hair dryer blast of hot or cold air; knocks the excess ac1315 off the paint; so the sealer doesn't have a chance to left/wrinkle the paint underneath. I use this method on the first couple coats; then dip them and leave a slightly thicker glaze on the bait, the last couple coatings. - And yes, you can paint over the ac1315 then redip without issue. - I think I like the ac1315 better than the GST. I'm having a heckuva time getting the GST to fully cure, no matter what I try.:-( Edited February 19, 2015 by motomania 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 The AC1315 is 30% solids as opposed to GST which is 20% I believe...It should give you a bit tougher top coat..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichthus Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 just dipped an LV500 that i scuffed the paint off this morning. I've had problems with them cracking open and rusting the bearings inside. partly from riprap, partly from those dang stripers, anyways I'm gonna check on it when I get home because I dropped it after I dipped in the AC1315 (of course, on the first bait i try with AC) but it looked ok and only fell a few inches and had a cat hair on it (oops). my hope is, it's able to reinforce the bait, so I can paint over the base of AC1315 and have a more durable bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 I don't think the AC1315 is strong enough to reinforce you plastic baits. When I want to do that, I use a dip coat of Solarez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Moreau Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Anyone have ac1315 bubble a paint job yet? I just did and i think i know why but want to see what others have experienced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassAssassin Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 For you guys that use the olive jars, are you storing the sealer in the olive jar or pour in back in the original container? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I use a pickle jar, and just leave it in the jar. It's been over 6 months and no skinning or problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWMAN CUSTOM BAITS Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Thanks mark I just ordered a quart. You need to be getting a cut off all these sales you are generating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Thanks mark I just ordered a quart. You need to be getting a cut off all these sales you are generating. Hahaha Just be sure to use multiple thin coats, and heat set/dry each coat well, or your paint will wrinkle. I've had it happen a couple of times. I redipped, and fished those lures with no problems, so it still protects. It's just not as pretty anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bois d'Arc Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 The wrinkling I was getting from GST was caused by oil on the surface of the lure. I'm guessing this stuff works the same. Once I started giving my blanks a quick dip in acetone prior to painting the wrinkling stopped. This is a great pre paint process...had occasional wrinkles around diving bills and on areas with textured detail.....tried dipping in acetone before paint.....no more problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichthus Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I had one this weekend that I couldn't get out of the can for the life of me, it righted itself so it couldn't come out. When I got it out, it was super wrinkled, so I decided to take a sharpie and go over the wrinkles. It actually covered it up pretty well. Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWMAN CUSTOM BAITS Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Hahaha Just be sure to use multiple thin coats, and heat set/dry each coat well, or your paint will wrinkle. I've had it happen a couple of times. I redipped, and fished those lures with no problems, so it still protects. It's just not as pretty anymore. I use lacquer paints so I don't have to heat set my paint. I have a heat gun so I will try to give a little heat to the sealer as it cures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) I use lacquer paints so I don't have to heat set my paint. I have a heat gun so I will try to give a little heat to the sealer as it cures. I wonder if the solvent in the AC1315 plays nice with lacquer paint. Even though it's not as bad as some other finishes, it still has some nasty solvent in it. I always dip and hang outside, if possible, because of the fumes. Do a test on something before you ruin a lure. Edited February 24, 2015 by mark poulson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassAssassin Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I just dipped a few to try. Its only 40 degrees, so we'll see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Has anyone ever used Kleer Kote 6004 in a spray can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
