kmer7777 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 First, I've read somewhere that certain plastic cups can be dissolved in acetone to yield the same properties as Propianate in a seal coat application. OK, but does anyone know which cups? Or do I just have to experiment? Second, is there anything else that can be substituted? Like say expanded poly styrene (white Styrofoam)? That would be great cause I'm always throwing that away. My reason for asking is that I have not found anyone in my travels who even knows what Propianate is... nevermind stock it. I suppose I can order Pp online, but don't want a large quantity yet. Shipping direct from Us to Canada is possibly a logistics issue, not to mention costly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougarftd Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 There is a guy on ebay that sells propionate beads for around $15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoonpluggergino Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 E-bay is where I get my propionate. Here is a website that will give you all kinds of info on propionate and they will direct you to e-bay www.tackelemaking.com Gino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougarftd Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Yep, that's the one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeeter Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 If you really want an easier way to seal a bait just dip it in clear lacquer or shoot a couple of coats through your airbrush and forget it. It is what Bagley did for decades. There was a guy on this site many years ago named Swede that turned us on to propionate. Supposidly propionate is what Rapala used. You can also just wipe on a couple of coats of Polyurethane. I have done that for over 14 years. You will get the same result with a lot less hassle. Of course this is for bass baits. If you fish for critters that can register 100 lbs on a bite block I can't help you. Skeeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmer7777 Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Very interesting. I didn't think I would learn so much so quick. Thanks all. It's for musky, BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Guys on TU have reported very scattered results dissolving plastics in solvents for undercoating. Unless you're willing to experiment and live with the results until you find the right combo, I'd just use another product. I don't build musky baits but if I did, I'd consider undercoating with either Solarez UV cured polyester or epoxy. Either yields a very tough undercoat. I don't much care for the low gloss of Solarez as a topcoat but it works great as an undercoating, it's fast to use, and fairly inexpensive compared to many alternatives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAWGFAN Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 If you're going to experiment with cups and forks, learn your recycle codes. Polystyrene is the only material that you'll be able to easily dissolve. In clear cups, it's not nearly as common PET, but it is out there. From what I understand, the polystyrene used in forks can be too brittle, and will crack. CD cases are another common use for polystyrene, but again, I'd be cautious about it splitting. I use the prop that's available in several quantities on eBay. It has it's advantages and disadvantages like everything else. I like it for my bass baits, but other products have their selling points as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougarftd Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 The combination is key you will wreck a few paintjobs until you find the right ratio. Too thick and it cannot evaporate fast enough too thin and it does nothing. It is an awesome topcoat when you figure it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAWGFAN Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I only use prop as a sealer for balsa baits. I know some have figured it out for a top coat, but not me, so I can't comment on it for that use. From what I know about it from my experience, I think there are far better choices for a top coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougarftd Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 I have gotten it to work and it is a fantastic top coat. The learning curve makes others more appealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeeter Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I guess I misunderstood. I thought he was going to use it to seal the wood before painting. Skeeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
