JBlaze Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Something I have been thinking about for a while, is making 3d scales. My wife and I were out running thrift stores a few days ago and I ran across these two belts one is made with sequins and the other is made with little metal scalloped strips. I bought both with intentions of laying a piece of aluminum foil across them and rubbing it with a rag to see if I could create a 3d scale pattern. A few stores later, I ran across this old credit card press/embosser. Not sure what it is called but I hoped that it would suit the purpose for which I intended to use it, which was making 3d scales. Hope some of you guys/gals might find this idea useful. John PS, just pulled the first one off the drying wheel, will post it in the gallery. Edited November 24, 2014 by JBlaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Great idea JBlaze! Looks killer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Now I'll know where to send my foil when I want a 3D scale pattern. Great idea John. Ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Now I'll know where to send my foil when I want a 3D scale pattern. Great idea John. Ben X2 Great idea!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeee Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 What do you use for glue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBlaze Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 hugesy, ben and mark, thanks for the compliments. jdeee, i use 3M super 77 multi purpose adhesive it does a great job of sticking things together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spec Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 That is awesome! I've been kicking around ideas for using 3M self adhesive foils for awhile...I've been rolling a SST. screen with a rolling pin and your way looks way simpler and easier thanks for the post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Did you use a paint over the scales that needed heating to set it? Did the heat affect the glue you used? Who is going to win the Super Bowl? So many questions, so little time! Hahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 That is a great idea John..and looks killer!!..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBlaze Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Spec & Nathan. Thanks for the encouragement. I have at least one problem to solve before I will be content with it. Mark, I did use several coats of thinned Golden interference paint. I was introduced to this color shifting paint by Vic (Little River Baits). It works well over colors but I just couldnt get that color shift over the shiny foil. I'm not sure how many coats I put on the foil but I heat set each one and never had any problem with the glue losing its grip. The only thing that the interference did by putting it over the foil was that it dulled the bright shine that it had. It was very bright and I could see it losing more of its shine with each succeeding coat. Super Bowl, Whats that? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Spec & Nathan. Thanks for the encouragement. I have at least one problem to solve before I will be content with it. Mark, I did use several coats of thinned Golden interference paint. I was introduced to this color shifting paint by Vic (Little River Baits). It works well over colors but I just couldnt get that color shift over the shiny foil. I'm not sure how many coats I put on the foil but I heat set each one and never had any problem with the glue losing its grip. The only thing that the interference did by putting it over the foil was that it dulled the bright shine that it had. It was very bright and I could see it losing more of its shine with each succeeding coat. Super Bowl, Whats that? John Glad to hear that the glue isn't affected by heat setting paint. Thanks. I use Wildlife colors iridescent and color shift paints, and find they show up best over black, or dark colors. I do use the iridescent violet on clear baits to give the that violet hue, without losing their transparency. When I've shot anything over foil it reduces that shininess for me, too Hahaha It's the game I fall asleep in the middle of, and only wake up when it's over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBlaze Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Three more 3-D scale patterns for the little press. I found a different style of lady's belt which I disassembled and reassembled on a piece of wire mesh to make a smaller scale pattern. A piece of aluminum diamond mesh which I purchased at Michael's and a piece of screen wire for the third one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Good stuff John. Your always thinking about making things better or how to do things differently. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBlaze Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Hello Ben, I think you are right about me, I am always thinking about how I could improve upon or change the design of things. I think that is why I like tackle building, because it is within my power to do just that with just a few tools, some wood, plastic, glue and wire. It satisfies that urge to create something that is different for the most part and something that I can call my own. I enjoy it even when my ideas do not work out or even just plain fail and plenty of them have done just that. I think, as many before me have said, "I am addicted to tackle building" and can't wait until I retire so that I will have more time to waste on and spend my money on this cotton picking hobby. I love it!!! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 You and me both John. Like you, I'm obsessed with this stuff. We may get old and gray, but that will never put out the fire in our bellies. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBlaze Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Amen brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Amen brother You two are sick! Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveG Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Heres some foiled bait I made by pressing kitchen foil into mesh, I cut the foil out from the outline of the bait allowing for overlap, to keep the profile of the pressed foil I filled the back of the foil with epoxy, then stuck the foil onto the bait with double sided adhesive, next I flattened the top and bottom of the bait where the foil overlaps and epoxied the whole of the bait to hide the joins when painted. Yes its time consuming! then airbrush the bait as needed, then epoxy again, its time consuming but worth it, hope Iv explained it well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 That does sound time consuming, but the baits came out really nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBlaze Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 DaveG, . Your baits look really good. thanks for that.very encouraging post. That was going to be my next attempt at keeping my scales from being flattened Did you let the epoxy harden before placing it on the bait? I think that would work well on flat sides but for a round bodied bait, I am thinking maybe it should just set up just beyond the point where it will not run or drip before applying it to the side of the bait. Then it could be shaped and formed to the contour of the bait. Another question for the epoxy gurus.Does epoxy need to be exposed to the atmosphere to cure? If so, once I place it on the bait where no air can get to it, it might never harden. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveG Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) JBlaze the epoxy will harden without any kind of exposure as its a chemical reaction, I use 5 minute epoxy on the back of the foil and apply it to the bait just as it sets, if you leave it any longer it can crack when you try to form it around the bait, im using the 5 minute stuff just because I bought some syringe packs cheaply but when they run out i`ll just use Etex. Edited December 7, 2014 by DaveG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveG Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 To show you some more pics have a look on my blog here http://greeniespiking.blogspot.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBlaze Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 JBlaze the epoxy will harden without any kind of exposure as its a chemical reaction, I use 5 minute epoxy on the back of the foil and apply it to the bait just as it sets, if you leave it any longer it can crack when you try to form it around the bait, im using the 5 minute stuff just because I bought some syringe packs cheaply but when they run out i`ll just use Etex. DaveG, Thanks again for your response. It is people like yourself that makes TU the great site that it is. I am sure that you just shortened my learning curve by many hours. Many Thanks. I took a look at your blog, very nice baits. I particularly liked the three under the heading,"The Black Edition". John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveG Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 DaveG, Thanks again for your response. It is people like yourself that makes TU the great site that it is. I am sure that you just shortened my learning curve by many hours. Many Thanks. I took a look at your blog, very nice baits. I particularly liked the three under the heading,"The Black Edition". John Thanks J, I guess if we can all help each other it will save time and money Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBlaze Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Up Date on the 3d scale foiled bait. The first pic, has a layer of D2T of the back side of the foil sides. It has been curing for about 35 minutes now and is getting very tacky so I am ready to attempt to place them on the sides of the bait. As you can see in the second pic, I was able to get it on the bait without damaging or flattening the scales. I used my wife's tweezers (shushhhhhh) to handle them and a dental pic to burnish the edges. Thanks DaveG for your help with this. So far, it is looking pretty good. Tomorrow afternoon, I will apply another layer of epoxy and maybe I will get it painted by the weekend. I did not make this flat sided bait, it was made by a good friend of mine. His name is Dean Helton and his baits are IMHO as good as if not better than anything out there that I have used. He has been making Balsa baits for many years. If this turns out good, I will take it and show it to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
