mark poulson Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Several months ago I bought another nozzle for my Iwata HP-C+, the one I use 99% of the time, just in case I had a problem while I was in the middle of a painting session, like always seems to happen. Yesterday, I was having a lousy time with that airbrush. I tried everything I could think of to get it to spray right. I ran acetone through it, broke it down, ran airbrush restorer through it, everything I could think of, including thinning my paint until it was almost water, but nothing helped. Finally, in desperation, I swapped out the nozzle for the new one. What a difference! I had bought the 080-8 replacement nozzle that Iwata lists for that brush. When I installed it, the needle point passed much farther out of it than the old nozzle, so it seems to be a larger nozzle, and it sprays like crazy. I was afraid I'd gotten the wrong nozzle, but I was able to make finer lines with my in-line MAC valve turned down, so the nozzle works. I think I've been spraying with too small a nozzle for years. Or else I accidentally swapped nozzles when I was soaking two different brushes at the same time. Whatever it was, I'm a new man now! And I'll be more careful when I'm soaking brushes not to mix up parts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Mark, When using the restorer it doesn't do much to just run the restorer through the brush. It needs time to break down any dried gunk that's left in your airbrush and that means soaking for at least a couple hours. If I'm going to soak my airbrush I usually leave it overnight in the restorer. According to the literature about the restorer it can be used over and over. I'm still using the same stuff I bought a couple years ago and it still works like it did the first time I used it. Ben p.s. Are you sure the brush is an HP-C+? I just looked online and that brush doesn't have a MAC valve. Check it out at the link below. http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/iwata-airbrushes/high-performance-plus/hp-c-plus/ Edited December 12, 2014 by RayburnGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I soaked both that brush, and another, overnight in the restorer when I first got it, following your advice. I think that's when I accidentally switched the nozzles. I double checked. It is an HP-C+. My mac valve is an aftermarket Iwata valve that I put on my longest air hose, before the quick disconnect, so I can have it on my other brush, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I soaked both that brush, and another, overnight in the restorer when I first got it, following your advice. I think that's when I accidentally switched the nozzles. I double checked. It is an HP-C+. My mac valve is an aftermarket Iwata valve that I put on my longest air hose, before the quick disconnect, so I can have it on my other brush, too. Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, OK. You really had me scratching my head when you said something about the MAC valve on the HP-C+. It's not nice to put a strain on the few brain cells that are still working, but I'll forgive you this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted December 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Confusion. Just one of the many services I offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Confusion. Just one of the many services I offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Confusion...my constant state of being!!!...Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Confusion? Phhhttttttttt Bunch of rookies. I've moved on to full blown senility. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'm jealous....I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 Mark, You and I have had the same issue. I have a Neo and it has a .35 mm tip. It clogs constantly and I tried everything. I finally ordered a revolution w a .5 mm tip today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2015 FrogAddict, I don't even know how big the .080-8 nozzle is, but it is what Iwata sells as a replacement for my HP-C+ airbrush. The first time I used the new nozzle, I was amazed at how easily it shot all paints. I seriously wonder if it's a larger size than what came with the brush originally, or whether I've just been using the wrong nozzle for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 2, 2015 Report Share Posted January 2, 2015 FrogAddict, I don't even know how big the .080-8 nozzle is, but it is what Iwata sells as a replacement for my HP-C+ airbrush. The first time I used the new nozzle, I was amazed at how easily it shot all paints. I seriously wonder if it's a larger size than what came with the brush originally, or whether I've just been using the wrong nozzle for years. Mark, It's funny, I got into this because I wanted to make basic lures and now I'm talking .5 mm v .35 mm etc. What do I know, I just want the paint to come out when it's supposed to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted January 2, 2015 Report Share Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) Mark, According to the literature at TCP Global the HP-C+ comes with a screw in .3mm nozzle and lists a .2mm nozzle as optional. I didn't think to look up the part number and when I tried to go back to check I couldn't get the website to load. Seems that Yahoo Firefox is having problems today. OK. Internet Explorer is working so I went back to check on the part number for the HP-C+ and they list it as 10808. Does that sound familiar? Ben Edited January 2, 2015 by RayburnGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowhunter Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Needle, nozzle and air cap are related pieces. If you desire to change size, you need to change all three. If you should bend a needle on a well used gun, it would be a good idea to change out the old nozzle as well for best performance. Douglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Mark, According to the literature at TCP Global the HP-C+ comes with a screw in .3mm nozzle and lists a .2mm nozzle as optional. I didn't think to look up the part number and when I tried to go back to check I couldn't get the website to load. Seems that Yahoo Firefox is having problems today. OK. Internet Explorer is working so I went back to check on the part number for the HP-C+ and they list it as 10808. Does that sound familiar? Ben Thanks Ben, the 10808 is the number. That's the nozzle that I got as the replacement for my HP-C+. If that's a .3mm nozzle, it is really open, compared to what I've been using. I must have switched nozzles with my .2 detail brush when I had them both disassembled and soaking in air brush restorer. I'll soak the separately from now on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Do you guys think I'll be sacrificing detail w a .5mm nozzle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Yes. I can't do fine detail with the .5 needle/nozzle, even when I turn down the air pressure and paint flow. Bear in mind I'm no artist. I'm sure there are people here who can paint the Mona Lisa with a Black and Decker electric airless gun, but that's not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Makes sense. I'll have to see how it goes but I was at my wits end with my Neo. I should have never bought it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gone2long Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 I must of got a winner with my NEO cause mine never gave me problems it is retired to nail duty now but still working well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogAddict Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 It may very well be operator error but when you buy cheap its a crap shoot. Sometimes you luck out and other times...... Not so much. In the end, you get a consistant quality of product when you pay for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Thanks Ben, the 10808 is the number. That's the nozzle that I got as the replacement for my HP-C+. If that's a .3mm nozzle, it is really open, compared to what I've been using. I must have switched nozzles with my .2 detail brush when I had them both disassembled and soaking in air brush restorer. I'll soak the separately from now on! My pleasure Mark. If your like me things are hard enough when your eyesight starts getting bad without having to try and see the difference of a couple tenths of a millimeter. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 My pleasure Mark. If your like me things are hard enough when your eyesight starts getting bad without having to try and see the difference of a couple tenths of a millimeter. Ben Amen!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PondBoss Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Have same issue with my Neo. I guess I'll try soaking the whole deal broken down in the reducer stuff. Hopefully it will break down any build up inside. Edited January 6, 2015 by PondBoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venutian_Lures Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Have same issue with my Neo. I guess I'll try soaking the whole deal broken down in the reducer stuff. Hopefully it will break down any build up inside. I went through 2 NEO's with nozzle issues and have never touched them since. Whatever nozzle is on the NEO is absolute garbage. I had 2 NEO's in 6 months break in exactly the same way. I was experiencing issues of the brush not wanting to spray, bubbles in the cup, paint and cleaner shooting out from the threads in the caps. I soaked it in IWATA airbrush cleaner, cleaned every little spot I could access and reduced my paint to nothing. It wasn't the paint or anything I was doing wrong to clean it, it was the airbrush and nozzle itself. I looked closely at both brushes each time this happened and the nozzle was cracked down the middle on the first one after painting with it for a week. The second one lasted a few months and this time the end of the nozzle was crimped. From what I have no idea. Will never use the NEO again for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Rayburn Ben turned me on to Air Brush Restorer, and it works. I've broken down an airbrush, soaked it overnight, and came back to find crud in the restorer, from a brush I though was clean. It really cleans the little paint passageways. I'll back flush with a drop, at low air pressure so it doesn't spit back out, and there is always paint burped back into my cup. I got mine here: http://www.coastairbrush.com/products.asp?cat=59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
