biggun Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 I just got a bottle of watermelon from lure craft. It says on it "new formula" this stuff is more like bears emerald green not watermelon. Anybody else seen this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishalotfrank Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 i noticed recently that alot of lurecrafts colors are "new formula" and it doesn't match any of my recipes using the original formula.Tammy who works at lurecraft says if you aren't happy you can return it.i have switched alot of my colors to bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Well Lurecrafts old Watermelon was hidious and not really usable as is. The new cant be any worse. I prob have the old stuff if you want to buy some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggun Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I just tweaked it with a few drops of red. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassinfool Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I actually use the old watermelon is several recipes, although it is usually only one drop haha. Hope they haven't changed their green pumpkin formula as it's the best I've found for my taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishalotfrank Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 as for green pumpkin,sorry,that was the first color that was changed.then pumpkinseed.so as you can see the reason i had to find me a different supplier.i really like bears,but there are so many out there that i haven't tried yet.good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammingjack Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 I stopped using LC a few years back. Try LW they have a real nice green pumpkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassinfool Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 I already have one of LW's green pumpkin formulas, it's more brown than green though. May have to try another one to see if I can get close to the LC formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) One problem with all colors is there is no standard across the board. What one say is watermelon the other calls it something else. Over the years I have ran into the same problem with most suppliers. Two that I have NOT had a new formula come out are Spikeit and Mf. Colors from them have not really changed but new ones have been added. Bassinfool you must have gotten the green pumpkin 156 try the 109 it is much greener. Edited December 24, 2014 by Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassinfool Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Will do. Thanks for the insight, Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammingjack Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I have the 109 as well. Didn't know there was more then one, Green pumpkin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) I have the old Lure craft watermelon. I agree that by itself is not good. Add some green pumpkin/possibly a toothpick of black to it and walla- Zoom watermelon. . You have to be willing to experiment w/ multiple colors to get the exact color you desire. Lure craft colors are bleeders too I only use them when single colors are necessary. Spike-it and MF have non-bleed colors. Edited December 24, 2014 by smallmouthaholic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I have the 109 as well. Didn't know there was more then one, Green pumpkin.The 156 was made to be browner like the zoom color. Lure craft colors are bleeders too I only use them when single colors are necessary. Spike-it and MF have non-bleed colors.There old colors did not bleed as much as there newer ones. Used to use a lot of there floresant colors but they seem to bleed now. Spike it and MF do have bleeders but at least you can read that it does or call and get an answer if it does. On the Spikeit site if it says dye it bleeds. In case you did not know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass100 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 This will be a problem with most color suppliers because they buy the coloring in a 50+ gallon drum and it takes up to 20 years to sell off that drum. During the years that they are selling off that color it has changed so when it comes time to order the color again, well you know how that goes. So you can switch suppliers but it won't solve your problem much. You are actually better off staying with Lure Craft because the new colors they are getting will be good for about another 20 years before the color changes again. Alot of the natural pigments that are being used to make these dyes are slowing switching over to cheaper man made pigments and that is one of the big reasons for the color changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMc1 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 This will be a problem with most color suppliers because they buy the coloring in a 50+ gallon drum and it takes up to 20 years to sell off that drum. During the years that they are selling off that color it has changed so when it comes time to order the color again, well you know how that goes. So you can switch suppliers but it won't solve your problem much. You are actually better off staying with Lure Craft because the new colors they are getting will be good for about another 20 years before the color changes again. Alot of the natural pigments that are being used to make these dyes are slowing switching over to cheaper man made pigments and that is one of the big reasons for the color changes. Not exactly. The companies that sell the premixed colourant ready for use are buying the raw pigments and dyes either 2lbs or 40lbs (5 gallon pail) at a time depending on supplier and mixing and matching to get various colours, then they cut them with plasticizer to make them easy for the hobby guys to use (bottles with yorker caps). What is most likely happening is they are either changing to meet customer demand or the colour was discontinued or changed by the manufacturer. As Frank stated, MF and Spike It (a manufacturer) will have the most stable colours that haven't changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass100 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 My info came straight from Lurecraft when the green pumpkin changed. So as far as Lurecraft is concerned the info is exact and the new colors they have should be good for alot of years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 (edited) Just a side note .. Back in the 60's - 70's the only way I had to get coloring was in pound cans of pigment (Paste) and mix to get the color you needed ... later on I could get it in the liquid form and was a lot better off thou it cost a little more was worth the difference .. I think the 1st I got in liquid was from MF when they first started out ... I think I have a small bottle or 2 in one of the boxes in the shop....... Edited December 25, 2014 by JSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishalotfrank Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 the only problem with the new color formulas is that all the formulas that i have spent countless hours to come up with are no good now.I started with lurecraft and have nothing bad to say about their products.the problem comes from the "new formulas".according to steve at m-f their colors are the same as they have been for alot of years.This may be where bass100's comment comes into play.I will continue to use lurecraft,just that their "new formula"has caused me some problems and with the amount of plastics that i pour,i can't afford to be testing everytime i get a new batch of colorant.this is a hobby not my job,and the people that i have met online are like one big family,and for this us amateurs are thankful.Thanks for the new info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 the only problem with the new color formulas is that all the formulas that i have spent countless hours to come up with are no good now.I started with lurecraft and have nothing bad to say about their products.the problem comes from the "new formulas".according to steve at m-f their colors are the same as they have been for alot of years.This may be where bass100's comment comes into play.I will continue to use lurecraft,just that their "new formula"has caused me some problems and with the amount of plastics that i pour,i can't afford to be testing everytime i get a new batch of colorant.this is a hobby not my job,and the people that i have met online are like one big family,and for this us amateurs are thankful.Thanks for the new info. You might want to match the old color then make a bunch up and you won't have to change all the formulas just one. Two of my popular colors were with Lurecraft colors. Now I formulate them from other colors. Less chance of color change at least for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass100 Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) Frank is correct. You can match any old color by mixing new colors together. Here is the recipe I came up with a couple years ago for the old green pumpkin that Lure Craft use to have. I made it a little darker but you can change the formula to make it lighter if you want. The formula is for 2 cups of plastic and the numbers are for drops. So the first color is 32 drops of Lure Crafts new green pumpkin or the green pumpkin they have now. These are all LC's colors. 32 Green Pumpklin (New) 4 Pumpkinseed (New) 10 Moss Green 10 Chocolate Brown 1/2 tsp. Black .035 Edited December 27, 2014 by bass100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Frank is correct. You can match any old color by mixing new colors together. Here is the recipe I came up with a couple years ago for the old green pumpkin that Lure Craft use to have. I made it a little darker but you can change the formula to make it lighter if you want. The formula is for 2 cups of plastic and the numbers are for drops. So the first color is 32 drops of Lure Crafts new green pumpkin or the green pumpkin they have now. These are all LC's colors. 32 Green Pumpklin (New) 4 Pumpkinseed (New) 10 Moss Green 10 Chocolate Brown 1/2 tsp. Black .035 It's fun to see how you build a color. I guess, since the pigment particles just sit side by side (unless they are really fine, like in a dye), and add to the build up, instead of canceling each other out. I know that is an oversimplification, but it helps me to try and visualize what's going on. Kinda like trying to figure out why the fish are doing what they're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 "Kinda like trying to figure out why the fish are doing what they're doing" Now Mark if U can figure that out let me know ... Colors are a lot easier than trying to figure the fish out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
