scrubs Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Dieter uses these for Asp but I'm going to try them for Baja beach fishing. Red head is 1 oz and the other is 1.5 oz. Roosterfish and Jacks like fast moving surface lures and these should fill the bill. We'll see when we go down next month. http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/gallery/image/13956-dieter-style-pipe-lures/ bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aulrich Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Those look cool, I tried surfcasting the last family trip a few years ago in Mazatlan , did not catch any fish on lures but I did have a couple of fun evenings dipping chunks of squid and catching saltwater catfish. It's hard to gauge length. The poopers I picked for that trip (Roberts Rangers , cotton cordell ) were big lures 4-6" 2-4 oz. I think the idea has potential, though I have very little experience (just that one trip and land locked the rest of my time). Mind you I am also thinking about a variant for ice fishing, something with a midpoint mount that shoots out like a jigging rap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 We were down in San Jose Del Cabo last month. Most of the action I had was on small spoons, 1/2 oz Krocs and Champs. Never had a hit on bigger lures. I'm bringing a variety for next month's trip back down there. I hear the Rangers get a lot of hits but few hookups. bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Those are very similar to Got-Cha lures that are very popular here on the east coast for bluefish and mackerel - except that the front slope on the Got-Cha is in the opposite direction, which helps keep the lure underwater when it is fished like a jerkbait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I was looking at the Got-Chas. What I had seen said they were so-so as far as distance goes. I assume because the line tie is in the middle up top. Also made up a hoochie inline buzz bait to try. :-) bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Just came across this thread , ......I'm using such lures for asp , a predatory member of the carp family over here in central Europe , in particular in the tidal stretch of Germany's second largest river , the "Elbe". During the warm season asp burst into schools of minnows swimming about the tips of the groines , but sometimes also far out in the stream , hence asp lures should be suitable for far casting . Asp respond best to surface-skimming lures retrieved extremely fast , as such lures perfectly resemble a fleeing minnow swimming for it's life ,.......and this is exactly , what this pipe lure does , even pulling a bubble trace and changing it's course every few feet to come back in some kinda narrow wave pattern . Also this required action is the reason for the slant face cut this particular way , at first it aids the lure to break through the surface with it's nose and in conjunction with the hook rigged on top of the back end and the line pull it angles into the waves to change the course of the lure . Though this pipe lure does not have any built-in wiggling action like a casting spoon for example , it can also be used as a jigger on or near the bottom to target zander(European walleye) or perch , but in this case some kinda "dancing" action must be generated by constant moves of the rod tip . Guess , I had posted this video somewhere in here before , nevertheless , here it is again : Greetings , Dieter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Scrubs, I find the Got-Chas cast very well. They are used by pier and surf fishermen on the coast where wind is always a consideration. However, they are very different from Dieter's topwater pipe lure design in that they work as subsurface jerkbaits with a wide side-to-side jump. Their head piece is lead and they come in several sizes. The only complaint I have with them is the treble hooks are not replaceable and they quickly corrode in salt water. But they do have the best action of any of the similar saltwater jerkbaits I've tried - and they catch fish! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Scrubs, I find the Got-Chas cast very well. They are used by pier and surf fishermen on the coast where wind is always a consideration. However, they are very different from Dieter's topwater pipe lure design in that they work as subsurface jerkbaits with a wide side-to-side jump. Their head piece is lead and they come in several sizes. The only complaint I have with them is the treble hooks are not replaceable and they quickly corrode in salt water. But they do have the best action of any of the similar saltwater jerkbaits I've tried - and they catch fish! I'll have to try them then. thanks, bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Just came across this thread , ......I'm using such lures for asp , a predatory member of the carp family over here in central Europe , in particular in the tidal stretch of Germany's second largest river , the "Elbe". During the warm season asp burst into schools of minnows swimming about the tips of the groines , but sometimes also far out in the stream , hence asp lures should be suitable for far casting . Asp respond best to surface-skimming lures retrieved extremely fast , as such lures perfectly resemble a fleeing minnow swimming for it's life ,.......and this is exactly , what this pipe lure does , even pulling a bubble trace and changing it's course every few feet to come back in some kinda narrow wave pattern . Also this required action is the reason for the slant face cut this particular way , at first it aids the lure to break through the surface with it's nose and in conjunction with the hook rigged on top of the back end and the line pull it angles into the waves to change the course of the lure . Though this pipe lure does not have any built-in wiggling action like a casting spoon for example , it can also be used as a jigger on or near the bottom to target zander(European walleye) or perch , but in this case some kinda "dancing" action must be generated by constant moves of the rod tip . Guess , I had posted this video somewhere in here before , nevertheless , here it is again : Greetings , Dieter Thanks Dieter. That's exactly what I'm looking for, good casting and making a racket up on the surface. Roosterfish and Jacks like it fast and up on top. bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Scrubs, I find the Got-Chas cast very well. They are used by pier and surf fishermen on the coast where wind is always a consideration. However, they are very different from Dieter's topwater pipe lure design in that they work as subsurface jerkbaits with a wide side-to-side jump. Their head piece is lead and they come in several sizes. The only complaint I have with them is the treble hooks are not replaceable and they quickly corrode in salt water. But they do have the best action of any of the similar saltwater jerkbaits I've tried - and they catch fish! Could you cut the trebles off, and replace them with split ringed trebles, or would that affect the action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) Since you guys across the Great Pond won't be familiar to asp , .......here is a very wellmade video from Poland, that I just came across , really worthwile to watch , showing some great fish catching surface action and also the lures being used pictured by the end of the video ,........enjoy : Greetz , Dieter Edited January 16, 2015 by diemai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted January 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Good stuff, thanks for the link Dieter. I like a lot of the Polish sites (especially being of part Polish descent). Have you ever tried using a wooden dowel plug in the front of the Asp lure? Wonder if it would keep it on the top easier and splash more? bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeee Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Wow I think musky would love those Asp. They kinda look like a cross between a whitefish and a cisco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted January 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Wow I think musky would love those Asp. They kinda look like a cross between a whitefish and a cisco. I intend to find out this summer on NM Muskies. billl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted January 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Got some freebie copper 1/4 ID, 3/8 OD pipe from our plumber today. 3" lures should be around 1/2 oz with this. Something new to try. bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted February 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Just got back from Cabo in Mexico. These had great action on the surface splashing and walking the dog. Unfortunately the fish weren't hitting surface lures. But I did get a lot of jacks and mackerel, most in the 1-6# range. Fun fishing especially when you're casting to schools of 100+ fish. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 @ scrubs Great to hear , that your pipe lures seem to work nice , Bill ,........but I'm also familiar to those days when absolutely nothing goes for surface lures . But looks like you've still had an enjoyable trip . Greetings , Dieter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted February 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Very enjoyable trip! Wife rode horseback on the beach and I had a good time fishing.Food and weather were great and we shopped around a bit. I don't think the problem was the lure since guys with the "killer" poppers weren't hitting them either. We'll find out in Nov-Dec when we go back down for 3 weeks. I need to make some up in the middle size tube also. The smallest tube would fill with sand when pulled up the beach after a cast. Maybe I should try the plugged end on that size like I was talking about. bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 If the sand would get washed out on the next cast and impact , it might even be of advantage in terms of added weight , thus more casting distance ,.......have you tried that ? In a Polish Video I had seen a similar asp lure basically consisting of a round dowel slighly tapered down the rear , ......but as far as I could see , it did not zig-zag , but came back in straight just skimming the surface . Greetings , Dieter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 You're probably right about the sand I should make a couple more small ones. The smaller ones don't seem to splash and walk as well though, probably because of the rolling waves. I can experiment on the Muskies this year and be ready for the next Mexico trip. bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
