jonister Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 I think my light was toostrong, not sure if thats the prob. but it helped a bit. it might just be the wax but im not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaw Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Well Mark has posted alot about solarez so maybe he will chime in with some ideas. I haven't had any issues with it but if I can help I will. Just let me know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) I used marks link for the light, and bought it. Maybe i got a bad batch of solarez, or the light? also, could it be getting to hot in the light box? Edited February 7, 2015 by jonister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeee Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Try this. Take a Popsicle stick stir it for a minute or so, let the excess drip off the stick and then bring it outside and leave it in the sun for 10 -15 minutes. It should be hard and dry after that and will continue to cure by itself for hours getting harder as time passes , temperature does not matter, I have cured solarez in minus degrees temps. By doing this you will rule out the light and the possibility of a bad batch. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeee Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) If the Popsicle stick cures perfectly the only other possible problem would be something in your paints or sealers that you might have applied to your lures that is reacting with the solarez. Edited February 7, 2015 by Jdeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) I only use createx paints, and for sealers that would be DT2 and superglue, i have some baits though that are plastic. i will definitely try this... once it stops dumping buckets out here. Does anyone think it is humidity that could effect it? it was 96 percent humidity last i checked and come to think of it the 1st bait i tried did ok and cured harder than the rest,( it had not been raining for a couple of hours). Edited February 7, 2015 by jonister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Jonister, I basically think your problem is that the wax isn't present on the surface of the lure when cured. Either there is not enough wax getting on the lure from the jug (i.e., you didn't mix it in the jug) or there's not enough time between application and curing for the wax to rise to the surface of the coating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 How long should it sit to let the wax rise? Thankyou guys so much for helping me on this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeee Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Overcast sky's shouldn't matter all that much, as long as you can cast a shadow you should be alright. Like I mentioned above once it starts to cure it continues. Humidity might be a problem but as you said before you where worried about it getting too hot in the UV light box so that kinda rules that out. I have cured outside in the middle of the Summer and it gets very humid here and I never had a problem. Give the Popsicle stick method a try, it should start too rule out some of the possible issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeee Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 I shake up the solarez and brush it on and cure it right away so the wax rising to the surface shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) I shook the Solarez very well, and did the epoxy popsickle stick test that you said. I did that right after i read your post(11:35) and set it outside, it is overcast with showers here and there. i just checked it and it is still tacky. I think it might be the solarez but i dont know. It jells over but never cures fully it seems. Edited February 7, 2015 by jonister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 I have a hypothesis, so i think it was not light enough outside to cure the stuff on the pop sickle stick but when on the lure dryer, it cures fast, i think the tacky stuff is the wax that has softened and become almost sticky. What do you guys think? It takes a bit for the wax to harden but when it does it seems hard and not sticky/waxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeee Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 It should cure completely dry with no tackiness at all. I would call Solarez and ask what's up? Something doesn't seem right. I use the Solarez mostly as a sealer and to smooth out imperfections on raw poplar blanks and it always cures right away and I can touch it after 5 min in full sun and it is dry and hard. After bringing the blanks inside in 24 hrs they are rock hard. If you are not getting these results I would be on the phone ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeee Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) Try to wipe the lures down with denatured alcohol/ ethonol or acetone and see if that takes the stickiness away Just for curiosity sake. Edited February 8, 2015 by Jdeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Acetone made the lure even more sticky. I took the removable bottom(side when standing up) and that seemed to do the trick. I have no clue at all why that would do anything, my only guess is that it was getting too hot inside but now it doesnt have hardly any tack straight out of the light and after a few seconds its gone. I think the whole time it was getting too hot. About the popsickle stick, it either didnt get enough UV to cure in a half hour, or it was the fact that it got rained on at some point outside. I think the stuff is working now, my newest coats i am also sticking in my windowsill for good measure. Thankyou guys sooo much for helping me out! id be lost right now without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaw Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Good to hear it's working now sorry I missed your reply till now but glad it turned out good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I live in SoCal, so the weather is seldom extreme. This might have something to with my results, but I don't know. I can only add that I don't mix or shake my Solarez, and that I dip my lures and let them hang over the dipping bottle and drip back into it until they stop dripping. I think that may make my coating thinner, so it cures out better, but I don't know. I check the lures to make sure there are no little boogers in the finish before I cure them. Sometimes, little pieces of stuff, leftovers from when I dripped with the garage door open (a big NO NO), are on the lures after I dip them, so I check for them and remove them with a soft bristle artist's brush while they're hanging and dripping, so the surface blends back into itself before I put them in the light box. I remove the last little buildup that won't drip with a paper towel dab, and then hang them in the light box with the bottom panel in place. I do take them out and turn them 180 degrees every 30 seconds for the three minute curing cycle, and they come out hard. I've never had one come out sticky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Mark, i let mine hang till they stop dripping too. I tried the 30 sec thing and didn't notice much of a difference, i am pretty positive this is a humidity issue. I coated about 4 mid day yesterday and the humidity was lower and they turned out great, i did one later when the humidity was around 100 and it turned out tacky, i let it sit over night and in the morning it was hard as a rock. I also contacted solarez and they didnt say much in return, they basically referred me to another product and said it might work better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Jonister, That's a new one for me. Maybe heating your baits with a hair dryer might help when it's humid. What product did they recommend to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 here is the email i got back, "HI Our regular polyester is a great resin. You could be experiencing surface tack because that is the way it is designed. This is a laminating resin. It is designed to be tacky so that ensuing layers will stick well. When your lamination schedule is done and you want to "cap" the resin, our polyester SANDING resin or our GLOSS resin will give you a good surface cure" http://solarez.com/products/solarez-polyester-gloss-resin/ this is one of the products. I will be trying a hair dryer right now. PS, any of my lures that turn out tacky will be cure the next morning, (with all of my finger prints permanently indented in it). . lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 This is the resin I've been using: http://solarez.com/products/low-voc-dual-cure-polyester-resin/ I found it under surfboard repair. My son uses something like it for repairs when he dings his board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Thats the stuff im using. I cranked up the heater in my garage and it seemed to help. on my most recent lure i was going to try using a hairbrush like you recommended but it turned out just fine. Thanks for all your help guys! I will try to post some pics here soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeee Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Hairbrush watch out for hair balls, just kidding, I know you mean hair dryer. I am using the Gloss Resin for 2 years now, that explains why your results are different than what I get. You might want to try the gloss if you are ordering more. It does cure bone dry as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 hahaha. ya i meant hairdryer. lol. Next time i order some more solarez i will definitely get gloss to try. One more misc. question. Do you guys think solarez would cure through feathers? I have some pretty duck feathers from last season that i have been saving for a duckling lure im working on and am wondering if it would work to do a coat of solarez, half cure it and then apply feathers. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeee Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 It would probably cure as long as you don't put to many on at once and allow light to be able to get to the resin. I think if I wanted to do that I would do a row of feathers cure them, then do another row working to the front of the duckling lure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
